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One Of America's Worst Blunders: Allowing Public Workers To Unionize
Forbes ^ | September 3, 2015 | George Leef

Posted on 09/03/2015 11:56:30 AM PDT by reaganaut1

This country has made a lot of terrible financial blunders. Easily among the top ten would be the decision to allow public employees to form unions and engage in collective bargaining. Only a little more than 50 years old, that mistake has done prodigious harm to us both economically and politically – and the worst is yet to come.

In the summer of 2015, the former mayor of San Jose, California, Chuck Reed, launched a ballot initiative. Several California cities have already gone bankrupt and more are teetering on the brink, causing Reed to take a step that’s meant to stop the fiscal bleeding that results from the state’s excessively generous pension system.

Key provisions in the measure would require local governments to obtain voter approval if they want to continue giving new employees defined-benefit pensions after 2019 and to require voter approval for increases in existing pensions. Further, the initiative is designed to prevent the state’s gigantic public employee pension system, CalPERS, from undermining its impact, something it has been known to do.

It’s important to note that Mr. Reed is a Democrat. As mayor, he struggled with the budgetary troubles caused by the tremendous and growing cost of public pensions.

And it’s also important that CalPERS is working behind the scenes to block Reed’s initiative. A union-friendly member of the State Assembly requested a legal opinion about the effects the initiative would have if it passed from CalPERS, which duly produced an alarmist “analysis.” The Wall Street Journal opined in August that this “appears to be a test-run for the political attacks unions are likely to wage should Mr. Reed’s initiative qualify for the ballot.”

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1 posted on 09/03/2015 11:56:30 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Yet another DemonRAT blunder!!


2 posted on 09/03/2015 11:57:30 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: reaganaut1

Not a blunder. A deliberate Kennedy strategy to deliver permanent hegemony to the Dems. Teddy’s immigration “reforms” came in at around the same time.


3 posted on 09/03/2015 12:00:28 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Cheerio

Government employees used to get less money but more job security and maybe a stable retirement on the low-end.
Now they get:

- The most money
- The most vacation days
- The most benefits (child care, health...)
- The easiest and fattest retirement packages
- The best medical packages
- Almost complete immunity from accountability - it is IMPOSSIBLE to fire them
- AND ALL THE VOTES.

Look how we scrimp and save so they can have more of our tax dollars to put into their national ad campaigns telling us to give MORE! MORE! MORE!

And oh how they SERVE!

THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU,

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY!


4 posted on 09/03/2015 12:03:11 PM PDT by golux
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I remember when sort of Republican Governor Bob Ray did this in Iowa. Now, spend 20 years in state employment and collect 70 percent of your top salary for ever.
Genius.


5 posted on 09/03/2015 12:04:58 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: reaganaut1
Several California cities have already gone bankrupt and more are teetering on the brink,

What exactly happens when a city goes bankrupt? Do they lose the mayors house? Do the police have to turn in their cruisers?

6 posted on 09/03/2015 12:06:28 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

To a union member, the owner of a business is your enemy. To a public employee union member, the American taxpayer is your enemy.


7 posted on 09/03/2015 12:08:37 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: rjsimmon

They dig a trench around the city about 10 ft below the deepest underground structures. Then they cut through and lift the entire city up as one giant unit. Then they move it to a deserted island chosen by the highest bidder who gets to have his way with the property and the inhabitants.


8 posted on 09/03/2015 12:14:38 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: reaganaut1
One Of America's Worst Blunders: Allowing Public Workers To Unionize

Agreed.

9 posted on 09/03/2015 12:16:31 PM PDT by WayneS (Yeah, it's probably sarcasm...)
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To: Cheerio; reaganaut1
"Yet another DemonRAT blunder!!"

Democrat, Republican and quite intentional. The local Republican Party is comprised of government employees and local service business interests protected by those local government employees from competition (with regulations, fees, etc.).

Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,949,129 [Democrat] 81% [Republican] 1%”

Leviathan (Uncle Sam employs more people than you think)
National Review ^ | 02/03/2011 | Iain Murray
"...nearly 40 million Americans employed in some way by government."

Look at the size of that beast. That's the reason for socialism prevailing regarding Republican campaigns now.


10 posted on 09/03/2015 12:17:27 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: reaganaut1

It’s an Executive Order that allowed this.

Any “Republican” President could rescind it.

Have they?


11 posted on 09/03/2015 12:17:43 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: reaganaut1
One Of America's Worst Blunders: Allowing Public Workers To Unionize

It's hard to follow the thread of this blunder, but here is the opinion of FDR in 1937...

FDR Opposition to Federal Workers Unions

It is most educational to read the entire letter from FDR.

12 posted on 09/03/2015 12:18:11 PM PDT by publius911 (Pissed?? You have NO idea!)
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To: reaganaut1

The union thug-mobiles agree.

13 posted on 09/03/2015 12:21:40 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
They dig a trench around the city about 10 ft below the deepest underground structures. Then they cut through and lift the entire city up as one giant unit. Then they move it to a deserted island chosen by the highest bidder who gets to have his way with the property and the inhabitants.

Maybe that is what happened to Atlantis?

14 posted on 09/03/2015 12:22:19 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: golux
Government employees used to get less money but more job security and maybe a stable retirement on the low-end. Now they get....

I think that is correct, but I would love to see a graph or a table charting public vs. private sector total compensation since, say, WWII. I imagine its out there if one knows where to look, and I figure someone here might.

15 posted on 09/03/2015 12:25:14 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: rjsimmon
"What exactly happens when a city goes bankrupt? Do they lose the mayors house? Do the police have to turn in their cruisers?"

The city must cut spending by cutting salaries of managers, pensions, etc. Those who receive big cash flow from debt/revenues will cheerlead with false information, claiming that they're doing great in hopes of getting a better deal for repayment.

But eventually, the moves for more debt fail. Taxes and fees can only go so high. Money of real value doesn't grow on trees. People who pay fees and taxes move on. Banks don't stay in business by holding worthless properties and paying taxes on those properties. They usually don't pay property taxes, until a held property sells. If enough properties with high taxes don't sell for a very long time, the game is over.

The game should be over nationwide before long. We're looking for a series of market crashes that will pop the debt bubble. Big government cannot sustain its bigness without sustainable revenues from a large manufacturing base on U.S. soil to afford a large taxpayer base.


16 posted on 09/03/2015 12:28:26 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: rjsimmon

To simplify the answer, see the zombie government employees and laid off government employees of Greece. Imagine Greece without nations to shovel more debt to it. That’s us in the near future.

Yay!


17 posted on 09/03/2015 12:31:03 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: rjsimmon

“What exactly happens when a city goes bankrupt? Do they lose the mayors house? Do the police have to turn in their cruisers? “

Well, in the case of Stockton, CA although a federal judge gave them the “authority” to give their unions a haircut, they didn’t, they just screwed all their bondholders. So now, when they need money, they will not have any resources for it. But what the hell, all “our beloved city employees” have been taken care of ( for the moment). California cities generally “devote” 75 to 80% of their tax incomes to cops and ffs.(doughnut munchers and those who eat till they’re sleepy and sleep till they’re hungry). I see our ff’s shopping in the most expensive market in town for food “for the house.”But when you’re making $200k a year to sit on your ass, you need good food, right?


18 posted on 09/03/2015 12:38:26 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387

As a County Commissioner and member of the counties negotiating committee, I highly and totally agree, public employees should NOT be unionized. Gov. Walker took care of part of the problem when Act 10 was implemented. The problem still exists in that non-management law enforcement personnel are still unionized. Our negotiations begin in two weeks.


19 posted on 09/03/2015 12:42:54 PM PDT by DaveA37
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To: DaveA37

“The problem still exists in that non-management law enforcement personnel are still unionized. Our negotiations begin in two weeks.”

I applauded Wisconsin for what they did for their schools, but as you rightly point out, the real crux of the union problem lies with the ‘public safety” employees. They are the big hogs at the trough and they will fight tooth and nail to keep what they thing “they’ve earned.”


20 posted on 09/03/2015 12:46:10 PM PDT by vette6387
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