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AFTER SUPREME COURT ORDER KENTUCKY CLERK WILL NOT ISSUE GAY MARRIAGE LICENSE
9/1/2015 | Self

Posted on 09/01/2015 5:55:47 AM PDT by Nextrush

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To: eater-of-toast
Do you think post-menopausal women should be prohibited from marrying?

Let me give you more understanding of the underpinnings of our societal structure.

For those people that follow the Bible, both Jews with the Old Testament, and Christians with the new, are well aware, and always have been aware of the story of Abraham and Sarah.

By every understanding of man, Sarah was "post-menopausal".

According to the Bible, through the power of God, Sarah had a child anyway, and through this child there came to grow the nation of Israel.

This history from the Bible leaves in the mind of Christians that understanding that fecundity is in God's hands, and it is presumptuous of man to decide whether or not a woman can have a child.

Ergo, the benefit of the doubt for a woman is built into the social structure, and is reflected in the tolerance of non-child bearing women being treated by society as if they were.

So in answer to your question, "No." No woman, fertile or not, should be prohibited from marrying. Our system is founded on the belief that progeny is in God's hands, not those of man, and this universal societal belief is reflected in our laws, and always has been.

241 posted on 09/02/2015 6:32:16 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Alberta's Child
That's why I think the most effective approach here would be for states to get out of the business of issuing marriage licenses entirely.

I regard that as a defeat for society and for reason, but at this point it looks like the best we can do is a strategic retreat until we can find some more power some where.

It is my understanding that Oklahoma has changed their law to do away with marriage certificates. To effectively remove any state involvement in the process. They did this specifically with the intent to prevent any Faggot Marriage licenses from being issued, and to prevent any clerks from having to deal with the issue.

Kentucky should do the same. The message needs to be sent to the court that they didn't win, they just destroyed legal marriage for everyone else.

242 posted on 09/02/2015 6:36:10 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Ezekiel
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. ~Romans 1:25
243 posted on 09/02/2015 6:37:10 AM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: Alberta's Child
Natural rights constrain public officials. Any law in violation of natural rights gives the injured the moral right to disobey it. Not only the right to disobey, but the duty to disobey.

According to John Locke, we may go further. We have the right to punish "officials" who injure our natural rights.

244 posted on 09/02/2015 6:39:21 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: All

Just in case it got lost in the discussion, important to remember that Homosexuality is an abomination, a sin against God/Christ.

It harms children first and foremost...remember what the Bible says about anybody that harms one of my little ones, would be better if you had a millstone around your neck and were drowned in the depths of the sea

BTW a bit of a irony that this clerk votes Democrat. If all the Davis Democrats had voted Republican , abortion gay marriage would be illegal, we would have prayer in schools etc

just sayin


245 posted on 09/02/2015 6:48:02 AM PDT by Chauncey Uppercrust ( CRUZ OR LOSE...BACKUP PLAN TRUMP)
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To: eater-of-toast

You’re being ridiculous.


246 posted on 09/02/2015 7:44:04 AM PDT by Ray76 (When a gov't leads it's people down a path of destruction resistance is not only a right but a duty.)
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To: Alberta's Child

See laws regarding minors, incest, and polygamy.


247 posted on 09/02/2015 7:45:17 AM PDT by Ray76 (When a gov't leads it's people down a path of destruction resistance is not only a right but a duty.)
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2015/09/02/protest-transgender-teen-bathroom/

Right! Everyone needs to stand up against this evil and in greater numbers. No law or legislature can make perversion and disregard for the laws of the Almighty right or even advisable. Prayers, bravery and sacrifice are probably going to be required of all of us.


248 posted on 09/02/2015 11:30:20 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: falcon99
She is not forcing her religion on anyone. It is the government that is forcing the gay "religion" on people of faith."

From the report I saw, she said she couldn't sign the marriage license due to religious objection- Sounds like a reasonable cause for concern on her part.

Why can't somebody else sign the license? Why are they trying to force her to put her name on it? The military allows for conscientious objection. The courts should too- with regard to cases like this.

The Supreme Overlords have opened Pandora's box.

249 posted on 09/02/2015 12:19:37 PM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Any law in violation of natural rights gives the injured the moral right to disobey it. Not only the right to disobey, but the duty to disobey.

I don't disagree with that, but I don't see the same moral imperative if the "injured" in a case involving a government is only injured by way of that person's status as an employee of the government (as opposed to a citizen under the legal authority of that government).

This is why I believe there is a tangible difference between a county clerk who refuses to sign a marriage certificate for a homosexual couple and private business owner who refuses to bake a cake for that same couple.

250 posted on 09/02/2015 12:20:47 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Ray76

I don’t know about minors, but any laws against incest and polygamy are likely to be overturned in the very near future. There is no objective moral or legal basis for a jurisdiction that allows two men to marry each other to prohibit two related people, or six people in any combination of genders and family relationships, from doing the same thing.


251 posted on 09/02/2015 12:23:37 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: DiogenesLamp
I regard that as a defeat for society and for reason ...

I don't. I believe anything that detaches religious practice from government involvement will only promote healthy religious communities. It's the "religious groups" that have their hands held out for government money that are most at risk, and if they need government money to survive then they aren't really religious groups anyway.

252 posted on 09/02/2015 12:25:53 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Alberta's Child

So, by your logic, no matter how immoral the act is if its your changed job description to do it you have no choice. Jim Crow, Nazi Death camps, etc come to mind as real examples of of your position.


253 posted on 09/02/2015 12:36:53 PM PDT by Mechanicos (Nothing's so small it can't be blown out of proportion.)
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To: eater-of-toast

Since when does a person of faith have to take the Mark to keep their job?


254 posted on 09/02/2015 12:37:49 PM PDT by Mechanicos (Nothing's so small it can't be blown out of proportion.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Why not marry your horse? You don’t have anything against quadrupeds do you?


255 posted on 09/02/2015 1:38:19 PM PDT by Ray76 (When a gov't leads it's people down a path of destruction resistance is not only a right but a duty.)
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To: 444Flyer; cyn; Yehuda
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. ~Romans 1:25

With these cases, we can understand that choosing between truth and lies is the same as the choice between God and mammon.

In order to obtain the mammon of this world - to be able to buy and sell and provide for daily sustenance and to get on with life in general - Fedzilla is demanding that everyone believe and embrace its lies.

Every lie beast.gov creates is another seed of destruction planted. Look at the mosques popping up like multiple melanomas on the surface of the land. Those things have taproots. While they sit there looking strangely exotic, they are busy metastasizing underneath.

"Religion" sure isn't what it used to be in this country. Not all that long ago, people recognized the obvious truth that homosexual acts aren't the acts of marriage. Now those who still understand basic truths are deemed intolerant religious crazies.

Abomination is surely the right word, because aside from the vile acts themselves, those engaging in the behaviors demand - via thug government - that the acts be embraced as normal, as if a marriage. Putting a lie in the place of truth undermines the foundation and therefore existence of society.

Marriage is supposed to be *the* rightful foundation by which the future of the nation is literally created.

Oh, there's a much deeper meaning:

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Joseph -- specifically in his relationship with the wife of Potiphar -- displays the ability to control his natural drives better than any one else in Scripture. Therefore, Joseph is often known as Yosef HaTzaddik. The Kabbalistic term associated with Joseph is Yesod, meaning "foundation," as in Tzaddik Yesod Olam, meaning "a good and just man is the foundation of the world." Alternatively, Joseph is the foundation of the Jewish people. Had Joseph been killed, or disappeared in the slavemarkets of Egypt, the foundation of the nation would have been missing as well.

Perhaps now we can understand another episode in the Torah. When the Jews finally leave Egypt, Moses heads to the Nile in order to recover the remains of Joseph and to fulfill the promise to bring Joseph's remains out of Egypt. Why, at such a crucial moment, would Moses himself take on this task?

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Joseph From the Kabbalistic Perspective

"Tzaddik yesod olam" is at Proverbs 10:25

25. As the stormy wind which passes, so is the wicked no more; but the righteous is an everlasting foundation:

Ezekiel 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

256 posted on 09/02/2015 2:50:50 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

The signing portion doesn’t have force of law; it can’t be cired in court.


257 posted on 09/02/2015 3:09:50 PM PDT by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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To: mbj
The underlying fallacy is “if the law doesn’t exclude it, then it must support it.”

Or, if the law doesn't define it then definitions are up for grabs.

When it comes to marriage, the Leftists choose to ignore common law, common practice, custom, tradition, precedent, God's law, and self-evident truth...

258 posted on 09/02/2015 3:13:11 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Mechanicos

At least since SCOTUS ruled that the Civil Rights Act supersedes religious scruples against serving all races and creeds. Gotta go into the clergy if you want to have expanded religious freedom in who you do and don’t serve.


259 posted on 09/02/2015 3:13:21 PM PDT by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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To: eater-of-toast
At least since SCOTUS ruled that the Civil Rights Act supersedes religious scruples against serving all races and creeds. Gotta go into the clergy if you want to have expanded religious freedom in who you do and don’t serve.

Those who suffer from the homosexual disorder are neither race or creed. There is a reason homosexuality was never treated as a physical malady but rather treated as a mental disorder. There is no physical way to identify these supposed unique beings. Science has yet to objectively identify the homosexual race. Regardless, if such a race were proved to exist it would be a genetic dead end.

The homosexual identification is a subjective self-declared thing that is all about homosexual sex, those who feel predisposed to engage in it and those who do not.

People have never discriminated against these fictional impossible to identify beings. Society has always discriminated against unhealthy, deadly, and disordered ACTIVITIES such as homosexual sex. The U.S. Military never had a homosexual tests to screen out homosexual beings, The U.S. Military never banned homosexuals, the U.S. Military banned homosexual activities.

As far as the Military, note the term: "Openly Serving". have you ever heard the terms "Openly Black", "Openly Chinese" -DUH!

260 posted on 09/02/2015 3:36:26 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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