Posted on 08/27/2015 8:56:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
In 2011, Trump was already declaring Obamacare a disaster to be repealed and replaced, and not by single payer. He was already proposing to eliminate state borders to increase competition. OTOH, he wasn’t super-specific about how to be sure everybody is insured. It would be swell if he realized that that isn’t government’s job.
Well maine-iac7, since you enjoy referrals, I’ll refer you and hosepipe to the fact that the more you grunt and grumble, the stronger Trump gets.
Mussolini and Hitler grew pretty strong as well....
And defeated or murdered any that didn’t like it..
TRUMP, I admit, is brilliant Conniver..
Soooo, you be starting out with a CONNIVER....
What can a conniver BLOOM Into?..
Mary Poppins?.. I think not..
Hoser, name one Federal Department, Agency, Council, Administration, Board or Division that could function in a private business environment? If you still think the federal government has become a business, then we need an ultra-businessman to clear out the excesses, graft and corruption in our federal business.
In 2011, Trump was already declaring Obamacare a disaster to be repealed and replaced..
DiD Trump vote for OBAMA?.. donate to him?... is he friends with Obama?.,,,
Is he GOOD friends with many many Obama supporters?..
If anybody voted for Obama they are not welcome into my house.. friends, family or anybody..
How do I know......... I ASK..
You should know better than to put words in my mouth. No, I don't know what he thinks. I don't think anybody does.
...he loves Obamacare.
In the not-so distant past, he's come out in favor of single-payer and the Canadian healthcare system.
...he doesn’t really care about our veterans.
I haven't seen him come out with a concrete proposal on the VA. Have you? If it really was important to him, don't you think he would have expressed some specific ideas by now?
...he doesn’t really care about our national debt.
Well let's take a look at Donald's opinion of Xero's early performance in office:
...he doesn’t want to rebuild the military.
Again, no concrete proposals. He's now taking credit for being against the Iraq war without mentioning that things were pretty quiet there when Bush was done and it was Xero's withdrawal that precipitated the current disaster there. So although it is legitimate to be against the war in the first place, once in we had to win. We did. Xero threw it away. So Trump throws rocks at GWB because he's running against JEB? Really? Seems hardly reasoned or just to me. Do you want a posturing hothead in that job?
...he thinks Obama and company did a great job on the Iran negotiations.
Oh he's good at throwing rocks at anything. So, what specifically does he propose to do to keep Iran from going nuclear? Sanctions have not stopped them and would do less now. Do you really take his threat to borderline embargo Europe seriously if they don't concede to reinstituteing sanctions? How would that work?
...he really doesn’t care about abortion.
HOW deeply does he care with this if he offered his praise for his sister without ANY qualification? Not even, "we don't always agree."
...he really doesn’t object to common core. ...he really wants the Department of Education to dominate education from Washington, D. C.
Here at least he's come out consistently as anti-union and pro-voucher. So I'll give you that one, but it's not much more than boilerplate.
...he really doesn’t care about illegal immigration.
He's in the hotel, restaurant, golf course, and construction business. Hence, he's a big employer of illegals and has said that after supposedly ejecting millions of them (despite that each gets at least a hearing), he'll welcome back "the good ones." What does that mean?
...he doesn’t want to build a wall.
The question really revolves around what will he do to get past the Federal judges that will surely issue multiple injunctions against its construction. Will he then shrug or ignore them? Will he build camps capable of handling that many people waiting for a hearing complete with water and sewage treatment? I have my doubts.
...he doesn’t think our trade deals are bad.
Woopie. Has he told us what he's going to do to deal with China's currency manipulations when we owe them over a trillion? His blandishments aren't convincing.
...he doesn’t care if we are energy independent.
At what price? Does he want gas prices high enough to support total independence? That's what it takes to bear the cost of fracking. I haven't heard ANYTHING thoughtful about the topic from him other than we should be, which is just empty posturing, just like the rest of it.
...and on and on it goes.
You didn't mention taxes, where he's seriously flipflopped more than once.
Seriously?
Seriously.
You don’t trust him at all?
Not a bit.
Yet none of these issues touch on my biggest concern about Trump. He says HE is going to do all these things, without Congress? Are we going to depose one imperial President and replace him with another of the same temperament? What happened to limited government and the separation of powers? He doesn't even talk about that.
What is that distrust built on, the trust-ablity of folks like President Bush, who stabbed us in the back as often as not?
His record.
It’s a carp shoot no matter who it is.
I don't volunteer for a crap shoot by pointing a revolver at my head.
And as for Cruz or the best whoever that is, how do we get them past the Democrats and Moderate Republicans who vote with us in the primaries?
Biden for President! Do I need a sarc tag?
Why is it that you are so motivated by fear? It turns conservatives into chumps. It has been since 1984 that we haven’t elected a Conservative in nomination process. Want to try again this year and see how it works out, until it’s too late, and we have to wait another four years?
I heard this about Arnold too, despite the Gallup data that said McClintock would have won if Republicans had voted according to their ideological preferences, rather than their fears.
Should we just plan now not to participate again next November?
We're months away from the Iowa caucuses and you're trotting out this kind of argument?
I’m not voting for the run of the mill Lefist like Bush. He won’t even tell me he’ll do what I want. So it’s a given he won’t. At least Trump cares enough to lie to me.
So did Bush.
Looks to me like you're getting desperate. Is it time for that yet?
Trump taps into the anger that many American’s have for their elected officials and he appeals to those who feel betrayed by the GOP. But Trump is not a man of conservative principles. In fact Trump has no true ideological core and shifts to whatever suits the moment. Take away his populist rants about immigration, China and WashDC meddling and you have another big government type who simply wants to be in charge. Trump is not about limiting the size of the federal bureaucracy, he just wants to run it his way. Trump says, “I hear you” and I will make America great again. It doesn’t dawn on his supporters they’re just being used by a huckster whose true calling cards are opportunism, authoritarianism and crony capitalistism. Another opening for another Trump deal.
I support Trump, and to be honest, this is a weak point for him.
He still thinks the 45 million need to be covered. The question is, how many of that 45 million are illegal immigrants?
Will 15 million be left to insure?
Here’s another thing to think about. Do folks think people with no insurance were denied treatment at hospitals? They were admitted to E.R.s, and stabilized there.
The government has always picked up that tab if nobody else did. It didn’t pay enough, and this hurt hospitals, and that’s why so many Trauma Centers closed.
Trump did say he wanted to see what the private sector could come up with there too.
One thing that would be good is to provide low-cost catastrophic insurance coverage. Make it a $10,000 deductible, with low premiums. At least the worst part of an illness could be covered on a policy like that, with greatly reduced premiums.
I think there are things that could be done to get everyone insured, where the government wouldn’t have to be the full providor.
And Trumps mention that he wasnted to see what the private sector could do to help the 45 million might be along these lines. They would still have some exposure, but they could also have a cap on the part they couldn’t cover.
If the government had to pick up to where the catastrophic policy kicked in, that would save the taxpayers a lot of money.
Somethings like this could probably be done, and sharply reduce the cost of an Obamacare replacement.
I don’t think we’ll find perfection here. We just need to do the best we can.
I agree that the government should not be in this business, but if we’re honest with ourselves, it always has been.
Coming up with a way to limit that exposure would actually be good.
And here’s another referral for you two....
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They are afraid, very afraid of a Trump-Cruz ticket.
Trump takes a substantial percentage of the urban independents, conservatives, non-affiliateds as we a good cross section of Hispanics and Blacks.
Cruz takes the Tea Party, the Evangelicals, the flyover patriots and grassroots.
They team up and become unbeatable!
So now we should expect dirty tricks, rumors, lies that aim to turn Trump supporters against Cruz supporters and vice versa.
It’s coming.
They have to find a way to stop Trump-Cruz from forming.
3 posted on 8/28/2015, 1:03:03 AM by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/3330116/posts?page=3#3
If you still think the federal government has become a business, then we need an ultra-businessman to clear out the excesses, graft and corruption in our federal business.
Fascist government IS a government of Businessman..
Socialism and Fascism are the same thing..
You need someone to force you read Civics..
Absolutely. It's one reason why I have not selected a candidate.
Heck, I’m a Cruz guy and I’m not happy with his idea to increase H1-B Legal Immigration. I like Trump’s plan.
Educate Cruz and he'll change his tone. He's already backing off on "birthright citizenship." Trump has positions, he doesn't have a plan.
Trump with the help of Senator Jeff Sessions outlines an Immigration Plan that finally rids us of Anchor Babies and the Republican contenders are acting like Trump dropped a Baby Ruth in their Swimming Pool.
As much as I admire Jeff Sessions, I am not a fan of the Federal government having the power to issue work permits. That is what e-Verify really is. Nor is it a power enumerated in Article I. OTOH, to a letter of Marque offering a bounty on illegals is a Constitutional power.
There would be a traffic jam at the border a thousand miles wide.
It’s a long process. I don’t have a Crystal Ball, but I do know that if the Republican Field doesn’t get their act together they will have a heck of a time taking Trump out.
Why is he so far along? Air time. Who gave him the air time? The MSM. They love Donald Trump, because they can use him to starve every other conservative for air time and frame all their discussions in terms of what he says. Trump is a media creation, who started his campaign after that infamous phone call with Bubba. I'm taking that seriously.
Comparing Trump and Cruz to Hitler and Mussolini?
Man, it just really isn’t working out for you, is it?
Thanks.
It's been pretty dispiriting to see FReepers ignoring what the man has said and done for many years in favor of the smoke under their skirts.
BTW, I have heard that idiom often enough that I had to look it up. "Blowing smoke" originally referred to a tobacco smoke enema. Hardly a pretty picture.
Comparing Trump and Cruz to Hitler and Mussolini.. Man, it just really isn’t working out for you, is it?
Cruz and Trump are OPPONENTS.. Cruz is far more cunning..
it’s not time to DE-BALL Trump yet.. Cruz is just the man that can do it..
Perry mason was a chump compared to Cruz..
Well said!
? Scots Irish ?
or: Scots German !
perry mason? fictional tv character compared to cruz?
what’s next? will you be comparing trump to yosemite sam?
” . . . Then there is Jesus, who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Even Trump will someday kneel. “
He says he already does. Presbyterian style, with enthusiasm.
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