There goes some more.
Posted on 08/27/2015 10:35:29 AM PDT by Hojczyk
Mental illness is "a massive problem," GOP front-runner Donald Trump said Thursday, one day after two Virginia journalists were brutally murdered by a disgruntled former co-worker, but he does not believe there is any need to get rid of guns.
"If you try to do it, the bad guys would have them," Trump told CNN's "New Day" host Chris Cuomo, saying that instead, the focus should be on solving the mental health issues.
Former reporter Bryce Williams, whose legal name is Vester Flanagan, killed himself Wednesday afternoon after shooting to death TV reporter Alison Parker and her cameraman, Adam Ward, during a live broadcast for WDBJ-TV station in Roanoke, Virginia.
"He was definitely borderline and would have been and should have been institutionalized at some point," Trump said Thursday morning. "I wish people closest to him would have seen it, but people are being released now because they don't have any money ... this was a very sick man.
"And it's just too bad that we can't figure these things out beforehand. I mean, everybody sees the signals but nobody thinks a thing like this could happen."
But still, he said, it's a dilemma about what to do with the mentally ill.
"What are you going to do, put them in jail for the rest of their life?" Trump said. "There were lawsuits and litigation on all sorts of things with him. And he just blew up. He knew he was going to blow up, too, based on his memos and notes."
But Trump said he is not sure gun control laws would have helped.
"He snuck up on them, whether it was a gun or a knife or whatever it would have been, it would have been something," Trump said. "I'm a very much 2nd Amendment person,
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/liberal creeps
Lay this right at the feet of the root cause, the democrats who emptied and closed the treatment centers these shooters could have been jugged up in. Instead, they turned them loose on the innocent civilian population who still suffers from their terrible judgement, done in the name of compassion. Spit.
It is better to re-open psychiatric facility beds and bring back forced commitment for the severely mentally ill, which would include a large number of the chronic homeless.
We need to be careful about “the mentally ill don’t get guns” mantra, because of the APA.
The APA voted homosexuality isn’t a mental disorder, is recommending physical mutilation for those who think they are in the wrong body and many liberals consider conservatives to be crazy if not evil.
The Soviet Union abused those who wanted to be free as crazy, using the diagnosis of “sluggish schizophrenia” to label and commit those who didn’t realize they lived in the most perfect society on Earth. Many liberals (and social scientists are several hundred times more likely to be liberal than the average population) think that those who aren’t far left are crazy. I’ve done psychiatric tests done by students and online surveys which have the assumption you must have a personality disorder, excessive paranoia, fear of change, low intelligence to NOT agree with them. And slapping a mental illness label on political dissidents was standard in the USSR. It may be happening now with military veterans in the VA before moving on to general society.
And once you say no one with any mental health diagnosis can own a gun and label all conservatives as crazy, they have the gun control they want.
Soviet "psychologists" used to routinely diagnose people as insane for opposing the government. If you don't think that the leftists would do this, just ask some vets who've had their guns removed by the V.A.
I agree that we have to do something about the very many mental incompetents walking around, but it would have to have some very, very strong safeguards - and not just because of the 2nd Amendment, but also because of plain old liberty.
Still no objective evidence homosexuality is not a mental disease....
Commonly called ‘roid rage’
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There goes some more.
Start by supporting Rep. Tim Murphy’s (R-PA) HB 2646, which would, among other things, tear down the wall of HIPAA that prevents therapists and doctors who are treating the mentally ill from discussing the case with their families.
The mentally ill are with their therapist 1, maybe 2 hours a week. The other 166 their family is responsible for looking out for them, and thanks to HIPAA they are generally flying blind.
Because the patient won’t sign a release. Because....here’s a news flash.....THEY’RE CRAZY!
Anyone who has ever had a family member with these issues understands what I am saying. It’s a perfect example of Congress, which doesn’t know jack about anything, deciding that they are experts in everything and then passing laws.
B..B...B...But Trump’s not a “conservative!!”
To put Trump’s idea into common practice, while avoiding the pitfalls typically found in government mental health care, we need to take sage advice from the founding fathers.
That is, mental health care needs a balance of powers.
The way to get this is with multi-state regional mental health care facilities. States pay a fee to support it, plus a cost per patient fee. This avoids the problem of one state dumping patients in there.
Next, patients must be voted in and voted out. All the states involved must agree that a patient needs institutionalization to admit them. And if they are in good enough condition to be released, all states involved must agree on their return to their home state.
At the state level, doctors and courts must decide if they are so mentally ill that they need to be put in an “insane asylum”. And if released, they must use the process in the other direction to determine their disposition.
No time will a state or its doctors unilaterally decide the fate of any incarcerated patient.
Well, the courts have told us 'disparate impact' is a legal basis for discrimination, so hows about we try a decade long experiment to bar blacks from possessing guns? After all, their murder rate using guns is (at least) 7-10x that of whites.
If nothing else, it would be a great way to illustrate how offensive 'disparate impact' is as a legal concept.
If you whittle that down to Democrats, you’ll cover far more mentally ill people.
Sorry, but that's how it is. Those who knew him didn't feel strongly enough to do something so who is to blame?
The CNN reported kept trying to corner him on gun control but Trump would not give in. He said if he was in a cabin and someone stormed in with a gun, he’d want to be sitting there with a gun to protect himself! I loved it, and I find myself continually liking him more and more. CNN was left sucking wind... it was great!
The sheer cognitive dissonance created by living in denial of God probably causes most of the mental illness in the world. The solution, therefore, is to eliminate liberalism.
I agree. I love freedom. I revere it. For all. But then I think of the freedom of someone’s adult child with schizophrenia or other severe illness — freedom to roam around the dangerous streets at night, freedom to collect weapons and plan attacks against innocents that only make sense in crazy world. Freedom to starve helplessly and be victim to bad characters...
There needs to be a set of strict safeguards but some people need protecting. My dad has Alzheimers and he is like a year old baby. He couldn’t deal with freedom; it wouldn’t be a gift for him. We need to protect all of our helpless citizens.
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