Posted on 08/24/2015 7:03:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
An assumption made by a lot of conservatives ever since Trump's recent release of his immigration plan is that, though Trump is clearly creating the most buzz out of all the candidates, Ted Cruz essentially mirrors the bombastic billionaire in his immigration policies. I saw a recent example of this on Limbaugh's program on August 17, where the talk radio host listed Trump and Cruz as being on the forefront of the anti-amnesty fight and, by implication, that both support the deportation of illegals in this country due to being equally strong on the subject.
I admit that I also had made this assumption previously, since I had forgotten entirely the specifics of Cruz's fight against the Gang of Eight bill. It is easy to come to this conclusion, after all, when we hear Cruz seemingly lambasting Obama's executive amnesty for shielding illegal aliens from deportation. However, after reviewing more of Cruz's statements on immigration, I remembered that this isn't really the case.
Technically, Rush is correct that both candidates oppose "amnesty," but how has Ted Cruz actually been defining amnesty all this time? Cruz has consistently defined amnesty as interchangeable with "a pathway to citizenship." A good example of this is in this interview with Shark Tank where Cruz frequently moves back and forth between saying he "opposes amnesty" and "opposes a pathway to citizenship," as if they have the same meaning.
It is important to watch Cruz's language in detail here, as it is clear that out of all the candidates, Cruz is the most careful and deliberate in how he uses words (most likely as a result of years of legal training and debate experience).
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
You can’t separate immigration and H-1B visas.
The author confirms what I have been saying all along. Cruz supports amnesty even though he tries to redefine the meaning of the word and he supports increased guest worker programs to compete against Americans for jobs.
Stop the bleeding then cure the disease.
Wide sweeping plans are meaningless if real border security isn’t done first.
Overall it appears Trump has the simplest, most common sense approach in dealing with the problem immediately and directly.
Trump and Cruz are miles apart on legal immigration.
Cruz has championed an expansion of legal immigration, arguing it would help the economy. During the 2013 immigration debate, the Texas senator proposed an amendment to the comprehensive “gang of eight” Senate bill that he boasted would “dramatically increase” the annual limit on H-1B skilled guest worker visas from—65,000 to 325,000—a five-fold expansion.
It’s disappointing that Cruz’s transparent “VP-pick-me” gambit keeps propagating that “the two bonded over the issue of illegal immigration.”
Cruz also voted for Obama’s trade deal...a deal Trump plans to obliterate.
A huge red flag is that Cruz seemingly grovels for latino votes....consistently depicting himself as “latino” Yet his family bgrnd indicates only his father is Spanish; his mother is not-—has two nationalities, one from each of her parents. Cruz has been living large, seeking the spotlight off his last name for ages. Could be a latino “us against them” battle-cry lurking behind all of his conservative blather.
And while Trump has ignited America’s visceral contempt for politicians... voters will be aghast knowing Cruz is a Washington Insider. He has yet to highlight even one of these committees as a campaign credential......guess he knows that would put the kibosh to his aspirations.
CURRENT COMMITTES (Cruz web site):
•Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities
•Subcommittee on Seapower
•Subcommittee on Strategic Forces
Committee on Commerce, Science, & Transportation
•Subcommittee on Space, Science, and Competitiveness, Chairman
•Subcommittee on Aviation Operations, Safety, and Security
•Subcommittee on Communications, Technology, Innovation, and the Internet
•Subcommittee on Consumer Protection, Product Safety, Insurance, and Data Security
•Subcommittee on Oceans, Atmosphere, Fisheries, and Coast Guard
Committee on the Judiciary
•Subcommittee on Oversight, Agency Action, Federal Rights and Federal Courts, Chairman
•Subcommittee on The Constitution
•Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest
Joint Economic Committee
Committee on Rules & Administration
BGRND (WIKI)-—Elected US senator in 2012-—Canadian-born Cruz was touted as “the first Hispanic or Cuban American to serve as a U.S. Senator” representing Texas. He is the chairman of the subcommittee on the Oversight, Agency Action, Federal Rights and Federal Courts, U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee.[7] He is also the chairman of the United States Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Space, Science and Competitiveness, U.S. Senate Commerce Committee.
Between 1999 and 2003, Canadian-born Cruz was the director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission, an associate deputy attorney general at the United States Department of Justice, and domestic policy advisor to U.S. President George W. Bush on the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign. He served as Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 to May 2008, after being appointed by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott.[8]
Cruz was also an adjunct professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, from 2004 to 2009.[12][13] While there, he taught U.S. Supreme Court litigation.[12]
Cruz, born in Canada, is one of three US Senators of Cuban descent.
Cruz was the Republican nominee for the Senate seat vacated by fellow Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison.[15] On July 31, 2012, he defeated Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst in the Republican primary runoff, 57%–43%.[16] Cruz defeated former state Representative Paul Sadler in the general election on November 6, 2012. He prevailed 56%–41% over Sadler.[16][17]
On November 14, 2012, Cruz was appointed vice-chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee. (WIKI excerpt)
NOTE Cruz recently renounced his Canadian citizenship.
Miles apart, because Cruz proposes more permission to H1B.
Earth to Liz, Earth to Liz. H1B is not what is sucking the welfare system down and pushing the crime sky high.
I was watching Cruz on Greta late last week and he said that he would attempt the amendment process through Congress to eliminate birthright citizenship.
Whereas Trump said that the 14th Amendment AS WRITTEN does not allow for the institution of “birthright” citizenship. That the law needs to actually be followed in the manner that it was written to be.
FWIW, Mark Levin is also in line with Trump re: 14th Amendment.
They both support some good stuff, though Trump does more, and they both are misleading to the anti-illegal base. Trump by talking about deporting everyone until he lets the “really great” ones back in. (Undoubtedly everyone with a job or related to someone with a job who hasn’t committed additional, serious crimes.)
Cruz repeatedly says he’s anti-amnesty, but then more quietly admits he’s for legalization which, even though he claims not to support it, would also lead to citizenship.
So the biggest difference to me comes down to Trump’s far greater powers of persuasion and what I believe is his greater electability—both for the nomination and against a Democrat.
Wish we had real #s. Illegals incl visa overstays. H1bs, H4s, H2a&bs including cap exempt and OPTs.
Actually, most of the H1B complaints are about Indians brought here to work, not local college graduates.
We can probably get a good count on their way out the door.
Cruz’s changes to the Gang of 8 bill would create a second class tier of illegals with work permits, but no citizenship.
This is dangerous ground and anti-American. Creating a second class resident would never hold up in our liberal courts....and Cruz knows this.
Cruz knows that a judge would simply say that if we issue a work permit to a resident, illegal or not, they become a citizen after so many month/years of residency.
You have illegals paying taxes via a work permit and not grant them rights.
“Who’s Stronger on Immigration?”
Do we mean their words or their ability to get something done.
There are many people violating the terms of their visas but not overstaying. I’ve known many restaurant workers, nannies, etc who come here on tourist visas and perform ‘undocumented’ work. They take a trip out of the US every 6 months or so.
Yes you can.
Your point being?
The real #s of both the legal illegals & illegal legals working in the US must be astronomical.
I think we’d get better mileage more immediately by focusing on interior enforcement, everify, etc while we are waiting on longer term projects like border enhancement.
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