Skip to comments.Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 23 August 2015
Posted on 08/23/2015 4:35:42 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
The Talk Shows
August 23rd, 2015
Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:
FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Republican presidential candidate former Gov. Mike Huckabee, R-Ark; Josh Alcorn, a senior adviser to the Draft Biden campaign.
MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina, Gov. Jerry Brown, D-Calif.
FACE THE NATION (CBS): Republican presidential candidates Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and Gov. Chris Christie, R-N.J; Documentary Filmmaker Ken Burns, creator of The Civil War documentary on PBS.
THIS WEEK (ABC): Republican presidential candidate Gov. Scott Walker, R-Wis., and Democratic presidential candidate former Gov. Martin O'Malley, D-Md.
STATE OF THE UNION (CNN): Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson.
12:00 PM - 1:00 PM NBC's "Meet the Press"
1:00 PM - 2:00 PM ABC's "This Week"
2:00 PM - 3:00 PM "Fox News Sunday"
3:00 PM - 4:30 PM CNN's "State of the Union"
4:30 PM - 5:00 PM CBS's "Face The Nation"
Listen at the link above WHILE you FReep!
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Matthew 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
The polls are the story even though they are all useless. Since I said Trump and Cruz would be the leaders, during Trumps first obituary over Mexicans; when all the pundiots were claiming the frontrunners were Bush, Walker and Rubio we should look at why they were so utterly wrong.
The primary reason they were so far off is that their poll models are as bad as Global Warming models. When you use phones as the primary source of data you have to look at the accuracy of your data. With fewer and fewer homes having home phones you have already eliminated a huge swath of your population that you used to have.
The larger problem is with cell phones if you can find them on your call sheets, they all have caller ID and when they see an 800 number or a number they do not recognize they send it to voice mail purgatory. Now you have eliminated over half and most likely three quarters of the people you are trying to predict. So have valid is your sample?
What that leaves you are the bored or liars looking to skew a poll. These are the least likely to give you an honest answer and represents all of these so called polls. To say these polls are within a factor of less than ten percent is a pipe dream and a misrepresentation bordering on fraud.
This is why these same polls and poll takers have been off by more than 10-15% in the latest elections since phones do not vote, people do. There is no way you can predict the GOTV factor of any politician or the emotion built within a population just as we witnessed from the Bibi win, when the worldwide media was declaring him dead.
The most accurate way to judge the polls is to weigh them on how these biased samples are in relation to the general population. If you assume most of the poll companies are a branch of the DNC then you have to factor in a heavy DNC weighting. In addition you have to assume the most likely liar on the phone is also a Dem trying to skew a poll then you weigh the groupthink bias.
Groupthink bias is which candidate the media is promoting and which are they vilifying. People are intimidated to say they like a candidate who is a villain versus which one is sainted in the media. These factors will skew the poll towards the Dem or in this case towards Bush, Rubio, Carson and Carly and away from Trump, Cruz and Walker. These are the ones the media do not like and want to take down. They do not really like Carly, but because she is a girl they give her a pass on the vilification unless she is the nominee or VP.
So how does this all work when predictions such as Trump and Cruz. First you have to realize there is no way of actually knowing with any accuracy where they are in reality. The numbers the media are showing are simply people who still have landlines or had their home phone transferred to their cell. In addition to this small group it only represents those who will answer the phone even though they most likely know it is a pollster and will take the time to answer all of their questions. You have to look at polls are simply trends and not true numbers.
Most of Trump and Cruz voters do not match those criteria. Theirs are more educated and do not have the time or patience to answer a pollster. Most of their voters will not answer the phones and those who do are willing to speak in the face of the media. What this means is that Trump and Cruz voters are likely understated and the others are most likely overstated as a trend.
If my theory is righ The Donald is going to win this election and his real numbers are already likely approaching fifty percent. He has far from peaked as opposed to what the Punditocracy says in that most people thought of him as a Billionaire with a reality show. Now that he is leading they are taking a second look at him as an actual presidential candidate and giving him a serious look.
The second groups of voters are the largest portion of the electorate and are now beginning to decide who they would like as their president. These are the ones who take the longest time to decide and are the ones who are the followers and procrastinators. This as a group is heavily female and is the most influenced by those who have the most leadership qualities they can follow. He will do pretty well with that group although his testosterone will turn many off since this society has been so feminized and he is so mean.
Ted Cruz is the better of the two candidates from a Conservative standpoint, but does not have the charisma factor or the unlimited funding and name recognition Trump has. They as a team could win this election going away and we will likely see this. Trump will be the spokesman while Cruz will build the network for getting out the vote.
Trump is most likely only capable of being President for one term and then can turn the reigns over to Cruz. They as a team have the Conservative message and the ability to articulate it to the average voter who is frustrated with the overbearing Marxism in this country. Just like European countries, we are tired of Political Correctness stifling freedom in the guise of civil rights. Americans are tired of being ashamed of America and Trump is showing that.
Pollsters and other charlatans paid to predict elections have no clue what they are saying. They only have to agree with the rest of their echo chamber and when they are proved wrong they simply have to point to their colleagues error to be forgiven and keep their jobs. To go against the herd is to put yourself on a limb and if you are wrong the herd will push you out. This is why they keep these phony polls and pay outrageous sums for their corrupt system.
No matter if this theory is right, we are having one of the most interesting elections in the histoir of this country. The dirty little secret is Trump is a genius at self promotion which is actually what campaigning is all about. If this theory is correct and you can actually read between the lines of polls then he will be the candidate and we could have one of the most entertaining elections of our lifetimes. It would be delicious to watch the GOP and the Bush clan unite behind Trump. Let the games begin.
Pray America is waking
Note: The above opinion is not necessarily my own, but FReeper Brays. If you wish to discuss this, please ping Bray.
Good Morning, Alas Babylon!
Thank you so much for this wonderful thread!
I’m tired, so I will go back to bed.
FWIW, my DirecTV says that Donald Trump is also a guest on FTN along with Cruz and Christie so I will get up in time for that!
A break from the Trumpster.
Thanks for thread A.B. More bad news for Hillary. More main stream media showing how criminal was her handling and dissemination of TS material.
Throw her and “her aides” (Huma, Cheryl, et al) in jail.
“It would be delicious to watch the GOP and the Bush clan unite behind Trump. Let the games begin.”
Something like Ronald Reagan’s compromise with the party by taking on George H.W. Bush as vice president?
Does anyone out there in Freeper land have the numbers of TV viewers that watched the Donald Trump massive rally in Mobile, AL last Friday evening on the Cable TV news channels, FNC, CNN & MSNBC? Looks like Nielson is keeping them close to the vest....who knows why?
Bulls-eye again! Be well.
What may be more important is the number of people who viewed the YouTube recording. How people are getting their information is changing yet and the TV we know today is about to go away, especially in regards to cable. Channel subscriptions are the new way as evidenced by Comcast already setting the stage for its transformation.
Great post.your polling take is probably spot on as well. I am perplexed about some disturbing news about ted cruzs wife heidi.she spent 5 years in the cfr.no way to explain that.
I heard trump in Mobile Alabama for an hour he was awesome huge crowd as well
I watched on YouTube, on the Phoenix 10 channel. They said they had 10,000 watchers.
There are several more streaming news channels on YouTube as well.
CSPAN.org covered it as well. Adding them all up would be a massive challenge, but I’m sure it was huge. Let the drivebys THINK there were only a few, or that Trump is just stirring up the stupid racist rednecks—I don’t care.
Their prejudice and ignorance is actually good for us when we body slam them on election day...
Thanks for that.
I did my show research yesterday morning. I usually go through each shows’ separate web site to confirm, find guests the AP doesn’t list, etc.
This must have changed later.
Sorry I missed it but I do appreciate the link!
Your comment about Heidi sent me to check her out and I found this grossly mislabeled 3 minute video of Dubya telling us how it should be and what he would do, and we see what happened. I think it is instructive for us to review this snippet.
(The video has nothing to do with Heidi despite its label -> my search continues)
It’s really hilarious to watch the drivebys try to take Trump out while Hillary is tanking so bad trump has 20 or 30 thousand people in mobile while Hillary has 200 or 300 wherever she speaks it’s just an enormous joke
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