600 police gunshots during Stockton bank robbery were 'excessive,' report says

L. A. Times ^ | August 17, 2015 | Joseph Serna

[sport]

But they do take responsibility. Hell, Janet Reno took full responsibility for Mt. Carmel.

[Osage Orange]

You ought to swerve into the WACO cops TWIN PEAKS conversation....

[Swordmaker]

But they do take responsibility. Hell, Janet Reno took full responsibility for Mt. Carmel.

To mis-quote a very bad movie from 1970:

"Responsibility means never having to say your sorry!"

[sport]

It was an honest mistake, next time they will kill them all.

[unread]

"Sounds like stuff that happens in Cleveland!"

CLEAVLAND...! I spent a week there one night... bud-a-boom.

[TMI talker]

By my count:

• 1 police helicopter
• 51 police cars in pursuit (seen in that 1 video)
• 1 motorcycle cop

And there were a number of non-black-n-whites in the midst of all that. Don't know if they were unmarked police cars or civilian thrill-seekers.

(And a big mil-type truck was seen in another video. SWAT perhaps?)

That seems to be . . . a lot.

Did every LEO in that pursuit know there was a hostage in the robber's vehicle?

What was departmental policy regarding hostage situations?

[TMI talker]

I’ve read that five out of six shots fired by NYPD officers, on average, over the last several decades, missed the target completely.

http://shootingthebull.net/blog/what-about-bullet-overpenetration

I’ve seen similar assertions elsewhere.
Anyone have a valid reference?

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It [Stockton] also has the dishonor of being the second city in the US to declare bankruptcy. . .

After this they can be the first city to declare BK twice!

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(Image from the LA Dorner chase, not this event.)

[Teacher317]

The group found that 32 officers unloaded more than 600 rounds during the hour-long rolling gun battle,

"Too may notes. Yes, that's it. Just cut a few and it'll be perfect."

600 rounds, divided by 32 officers, divided by 60 minutes, is one round every 3 minutes per officer.

[Swordmaker]

• 51 police cars in pursuit (seen in that 1 video)
• 1 motorcycle cop

That's only from THAT direction. . . LOL!

There's another approach from I5 to 8 Mile road up Thornton Road from the north and Stanfield Drive from the West and Estate Drive from the West and East as well . . . This happened in a suburban area completely built up with houses.

Some police cars had been chasing them from Hwy 99 on the east of Stockton, where they had been spotted, down 8 mile, up Lower Sacramento, over to Wagner Heights, then back up Thornton almost back to the bank, then back down Thornton, all the way back to just a couple miles north of where they robbed the bank on the corner of Thornton and Lower Sacramento Roads. . . and wound up down Thornton about two blocks beyond where I stop to buy 44 ounce diet Pepsis at a convenience store before heading out of town to Sacramento daily. . . missed bullets from the firefight hit the exterior store wall. They covered about 15-20 miles in wandering and being chased all over the north area of Stockton.

[Swordmaker]

600 rounds, divided by 32 officers, divided by 60 minutes, is one round every 3 minutes per officer.

The vast majority of the shots were fired in the last five minutes. . . after the car was stopped. You can hear the fusillade in the YouTube videos.

[Teacher317]

The were shooting the vehicle like that, knowing it had hostages in it? How is that not manslaughter, at the very least? Clearly it is negligence.

[Dagnabitt]

Is that when the LAPD MENSA team let loose on two newspaper ladies, because ..why not?

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

Fire like maniacs and kill a hostage OR let the bad guys go? Those are the only two options you see?

[Teacher317]

This IS the vehicle...

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600 rounds, divided by 32 officers, divided by 228 days, is one round every 12 days per officer.

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Thanks.

[Teacher317]

No word on how many police were injured by gunfire, but it was obviously firing at police that caused them to fire at least 600 rounds.

I read where one hostage was shot in the legs, Misty was shot ten times, two of the 3 robbers were shot... but not one mention of any cop actually getting any injury... other than maybe carpal tunnel from pulling the trigger so many times...