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600 police gunshots during Stockton bank robbery were 'excessive,' report says
L. A. Times ^ | August 17, 2015 | Joseph Serna

Posted on 08/17/2015 4:04:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: backwoods-engineer

But they do take responsibility. Hell, Janet Reno took full responsibility for Mt. Carmel.


41 posted on 08/17/2015 6:34:01 PM PDT by sport
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To: Brad from Tennessee

You ought to swerve into the WACO cops TWIN PEAKS conversation....


42 posted on 08/17/2015 6:36:50 PM PDT by Osage Orange (What this country needs are more unemployed politicians.)
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To: sport
But they do take responsibility. Hell, Janet Reno took full responsibility for Mt. Carmel.

To mis-quote a very bad movie from 1970:

"Responsibility means never having to say your sorry!"

43 posted on 08/17/2015 6:38:25 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: familyop

It was an honest mistake, next time they will kill them all.


45 posted on 08/17/2015 6:42:12 PM PDT by sport
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
"Sounds like stuff that happens in Cleveland!"

CLEAVLAND...! I spent a week there one night... bud-a-boom.

46 posted on 08/17/2015 6:45:51 PM PDT by unread
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To: BenLurkin
By my count: And there were a number of non-black-n-whites in the midst of all that. Don't know if they were unmarked police cars or civilian thrill-seekers.

(And a big mil-type truck was seen in another video. SWAT perhaps?)

That seems to be . . . a lot.

Did every LEO in that pursuit know there was a hostage in the robber's vehicle?

What was departmental policy regarding hostage situations?
47 posted on 08/17/2015 6:57:37 PM PDT by TMI talker ("Swords and every terrible tool of the soldier are the birthright of an American." -Tench Coxe, 1788)
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To: Slambat

I’ve read that five out of six shots fired by NYPD officers, on average, over the last several decades, missed the target completely.

http://shootingthebull.net/blog/what-about-bullet-overpenetration

I’ve seen similar assertions elsewhere.
Anyone have a valid reference?


48 posted on 08/17/2015 6:57:38 PM PDT by TMI talker ("Swords and every terrible tool of the soldier are the birthright of an American." -Tench Coxe, 1788)
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To: Swordmaker
It [Stockton] also has the dishonor of being the second city in the US to declare bankruptcy. . .

After this they can be the first city to declare BK twice!

49 posted on 08/17/2015 7:29:52 PM PDT by null and void (Support Islamic Repatriation)
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To: TADSLOS; Alaska Wolf; DCBryan1; Slings and Arrows; Doomonyou; napscoordinator; Shimmer1; ...
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(Image from the LA Dorner chase, not this event.)

50 posted on 08/17/2015 7:31:52 PM PDT by null and void (Support Islamic Repatriation)
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To: BenLurkin
The group found that 32 officers unloaded more than 600 rounds during the hour-long rolling gun battle,

"Too may notes. Yes, that's it. Just cut a few and it'll be perfect."

600 rounds, divided by 32 officers, divided by 60 minutes, is one round every 3 minutes per officer.

51 posted on 08/17/2015 7:58:01 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: TMI talker

That's only from THAT direction. . . LOL!

There's another approach from I5 to 8 Mile road up Thornton Road from the north and Stanfield Drive from the West and Estate Drive from the West and East as well . . . This happened in a suburban area completely built up with houses.

Some police cars had been chasing them from Hwy 99 on the east of Stockton, where they had been spotted, down 8 mile, up Lower Sacramento, over to Wagner Heights, then back up Thornton almost back to the bank, then back down Thornton, all the way back to just a couple miles north of where they robbed the bank on the corner of Thornton and Lower Sacramento Roads. . . and wound up down Thornton about two blocks beyond where I stop to buy 44 ounce diet Pepsis at a convenience store before heading out of town to Sacramento daily. . . missed bullets from the firefight hit the exterior store wall. They covered about 15-20 miles in wandering and being chased all over the north area of Stockton.

52 posted on 08/17/2015 7:59:53 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Teacher317
600 rounds, divided by 32 officers, divided by 60 minutes, is one round every 3 minutes per officer.

The vast majority of the shots were fired in the last five minutes. . . after the car was stopped. You can hear the fusillade in the YouTube videos.

53 posted on 08/17/2015 8:02:31 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: BenLurkin

The were shooting the vehicle like that, knowing it had hostages in it? How is that not manslaughter, at the very least? Clearly it is negligence.


54 posted on 08/17/2015 8:05:00 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: null and void

Is that when the LAPD MENSA team let loose on two newspaper ladies, because ..why not?


55 posted on 08/17/2015 8:08:10 PM PDT by Dagnabitt
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Fire like maniacs and kill a hostage OR let the bad guys go? Those are the only two options you see?


56 posted on 08/17/2015 8:09:18 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (ANYBODY who would choose Trump over Cruz has a screw loose.)
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To: null and void
This IS the vehicle...


57 posted on 08/17/2015 8:14:28 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Teacher317

600 rounds, divided by 32 officers, divided by 228 days, is one round every 12 days per officer.


58 posted on 08/17/2015 8:15:28 PM PDT by null and void (Support Islamic Repatriation)
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To: Teacher317

Thanks.


59 posted on 08/17/2015 8:16:31 PM PDT by null and void (Support Islamic Repatriation)
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To: Teacher317
No word on how many police were injured by gunfire, but it was obviously firing at police that caused them to fire at least 600 rounds.

I read where one hostage was shot in the legs, Misty was shot ten times, two of the 3 robbers were shot... but not one mention of any cop actually getting any injury... other than maybe carpal tunnel from pulling the trigger so many times...

60 posted on 08/17/2015 8:19:49 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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