Posted on 08/13/2015 1:22:25 PM PDT by don-o
WACO (August 13, 2015) Judge Walter H. "Pete" Peterson on Thursday released final autopsy reports in connection with the nine motorcycle riders who died on May 17 in the Twin Peaks biker gang shootout.
The preliminary autopsy reports released months ago confirmed all nine died of gunshot wounds and the final reports supported those conclusions but provided much more detail about those wounds and other issues discovered in the autopsies.
Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds from a medium-caliber weapon that fired a copper-jacketed bullet, the final autopsy report says.
One of the bullets entered the left side of his face, the other entered the right side of his back.
(Excerpt) Read more at kwtx.com ...
“My suspicion is that the police shot and killed all of them and from a distance.”
The information is going to have to be extracted forcibly from the police and the coroner.
Have you ever seen a bullet wound, up and personally? What caliber was it? Without the projectile, that's hard to determine, even with some modern forensic techniques. This is not a TV show, it is real life.
I'm not familiar with crime scenes, but I am very familiar with the aftermaths of gun fights. It's fairly easy to sort out who is dead, who is wounded, and who are good to go. Beyond that, it becomes tough. Bullets, unless encountering bone, tend to pass through the body not matter what the weapon, the projectile and the range from the shooter to the target. Most bodies that I have seen had both an entrance and an exit hole. Beyond the obvious that they either need a body bag or a Medevac is beyond me and probably beyond most unless they have their own TV series.
These reports show me that they are dead, they died of gunshot wound, and most of the shots were far away from the victim to leave no powder residue (3-5 feet I'm guessing).
Police generally use .223. If they had 7.62s there then yes, it could be. It’s also possible a small caliber could be a .22 or .25 pistol, but I’m just going with the most likely.
I'm not sure how you are concluding this from the information available. I have seen lots of gunshot wounds and have stuck my finger in a number, especially in those who were not in further need of medical care. Without the bullet, I'm not sure what modern forensics can tell. Bullet diameter is only one of the variables. Velocity, range between weapon and target are also important as well as other factors.
Since both the police and the desperadoes were both firing, it's reasonable that both hit their marks, at least once.
but with a 1/4 inch diameter entrance wound was almost assuredly a .223 round from a police weapon.
I’m not sure how you are concluding this from the information available. I have seen lots of gunshot wounds and have stuck my finger in a number, especially in those who were not in further need of medical care. Without the bullet, I’m not sure what modern forensics can tell. Bullet diameter is only one of the variables. Velocity, range between weapon and target are also important as well as other factors.
Since both the police and the desperadoes were both firing, it’s reasonable that both hit their marks, at least once.
Try shooting a 30 caliber bullet out of a .22 rifle. The hole isn’t going to be smaller than the bullet if there is no time for edema, and with that wound track, the guy was dead before he hit the ground.
I also read the report. ME don’t much about bullets, they tend to learn about bodies, and they describe what they see. Certainly, examination of the recovered bullet found in the clothing will add a great deal of information that may address your issue, but I would think that examination of the bullet was beyond the expertise of the autopsy team.
There appear to be only two that could have been AR-type 5.56mm rounds (from police rifles). The others resembled handgun rounds ...
No thanks. You try that and give me plenty of time to clear the area. Doing it would be quite a trick enough, but the result would have no effect on the target. What happens to the shooter is unknown, but it will be ugly.
““entered the right side of his back” Nothing like a good back-shooting.”
er ... MEDIUM CALIBER BULLET.
Indicative of .39, 9mm or .40
“But still no ballistics? I don’t find these reports very helpful without specific ballistics...”
I counted:
2 small calilber and five medium caliber.
So much for the cops murdering all nine.
“Get the ME a frigging caliper already. “
Small == .223
Medium indicates Gangster
“My suspicion is that the police shot and killed all of them and from a distance.”
Five of them were shot with MEDIUM Caliber. Police had SMALL caliber.
“Why do you assume that a “medium caliber copper-jacketed bullet” came from a pistol?”
Because the gansterbots here have been telling us for three months that was the case.
I interpret that to mean the hole was made by a 3/8" (~38 caliber/9mm) bullet.
“The forensic evidence says that none of them were shot at close range. I’m just reading the report is all. “
What is says is that they were fired from several feet away.
That could be ten feet. CLOSE RANGE!
“Which would explain the vague ballistics report. “
For three months the gangsterbots have been hammering that all were killed by small caliber weapons.
Now that we see that only two of the seven bullets were small caliber backpedaling begins.
“but I would think that examination of the bullet was beyond the expertise of the autopsy team.”
Of course.
No GSR on any of the people in a crowd where the police said there was a mass shooting?
No way.
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