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Autopsies Released for Bikers Killed in Twin Peaks Shooting [Waco - with links to reportsd]
KWTX TV ^ | August 13, 2015

Posted on 08/13/2015 1:22:25 PM PDT by don-o

WACO (August 13, 2015) Judge Walter H. "Pete" Peterson on Thursday released final autopsy reports in connection with the nine motorcycle riders who died on May 17 in the Twin Peaks biker gang shootout.

The preliminary autopsy reports released months ago confirmed all nine died of gunshot wounds and the final reports supported those conclusions but provided much more detail about those wounds and other issues discovered in the autopsies.

Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds from a medium-caliber weapon that fired a copper-jacketed bullet, the final autopsy report says.

One of the bullets entered the left side of his face, the other entered the right side of his back.

(Excerpt) Read more at kwtx.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: copcycle; waco; wacobikers
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1 posted on 08/13/2015 1:22:25 PM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

But still no ballistics? I don’t find these reports very helpful without specific ballistics...


2 posted on 08/13/2015 1:26:10 PM PDT by dware (Yeah, so? What are we going to do about it?)
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To: don-o

“entered the right side of his back”

Nothing like a good back-shooting.

Happened here in Tacoma. Cop was commended for back-shooting a crazy Spanish speaking old man who was running away from her after her tazer didn’t work.


3 posted on 08/13/2015 1:28:59 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (#BlackLivesMatter ??? #StopKillingEachother !!!)
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To: don-o
Medium caliber? Really? Was that a .40, a 9mm, a .38, or a .357?

Get the ME a frigging caliper already.

4 posted on 08/13/2015 1:31:43 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: dware

Yeah, that’s interesting. The actual reports don’t identify the rounds as being rifle or pistol, but there are mentions of “Medium caliber bullets” having entrance wounds of a quarter inch diameter. A 5.56mm from a police rifle is close to that, but so is a 9mm or .380 from a pistol.

Bullet fragmentation described is more in line with a 5.56mm rifle, however.


5 posted on 08/13/2015 1:36:25 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: don-o

None of the victims...NONE OF THEM...were shot at close range. The police narrative was that these people exchanged shots with each other at close range.

My suspicion is that the police shot and killed all of them and from a distance.


6 posted on 08/13/2015 1:39:20 PM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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To: dware
I don’t find these reports very helpful without specific ballistics...

Yes. But perhaps savvy FReepers can pick up clues and make some reasonable conjectures.

7 posted on 08/13/2015 1:39:36 PM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Medium, 5.56, 7.62, What is milspec medium?


8 posted on 08/13/2015 1:40:30 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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To: dware

By my count 5 were shot with “medium caliber copper jacketed” bullet (pistol rounds). Two were shot with “small caliber metal jacketd” bullets, I assume police .223s. Two more don’t say, so I assume they weren’t pistol rounds.


9 posted on 08/13/2015 1:42:48 PM PDT by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt)
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To: don-o

I want the truth. All I have asked for since day one.

They try to feed us this bull shit and expect the media to eat up with a fork.

Well Waco, you need to spit it out. How about the truth?


10 posted on 08/13/2015 1:46:42 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (It is not heaven, it is Iowa. Everyone gets a "Corn Check")
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To: M1911A1

So is a 300 blackout.


11 posted on 08/13/2015 1:47:05 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: dware

Go read the actual report. It generally indicates ballistics on many of the shots.


12 posted on 08/13/2015 1:48:23 PM PDT by Deek
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To: hadaclueonce

I wrote my post before reading any of the reports. I have a bad habit of that.

There is more detail in the reports than I original thought. I was wrong for going postal.

That does not mean that the reports were complete, I still want the truth.


13 posted on 08/13/2015 1:51:55 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (It is not heaven, it is Iowa. Everyone gets a "Corn Check")
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To: Hugin

Why do you assume that a “medium caliber copper-jacketed bullet” came from a pistol?

7.62 is “medium caliber”.


14 posted on 08/13/2015 1:57:35 PM PDT by WayneS (Yeah, it's probably sarcasm...)
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To: MeganC

I don’t believe you can support that none of them were shot at close range.


15 posted on 08/13/2015 2:03:21 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Smokin' Joe
There is a gunshot wound of entrance of the right side of the chest, located 13 inches below the top of the head and 1 inch to the right of the anterior midline of the chest. The entrance wound is circular, measures 1/4 inch in diameter, and is surrounded by a circumferential 1/l6 inch marginal abrasion. There is no soot or stippling.

Tough to put a 9 mm through a 1/4 inch entrance wound.

The wound path and location of the exit wound indicate he was likely shot from slightly above, or was bent over when shot.

After perforating the skin and subcutaneous tissue, the bullet sequentially perforates the sternum, the pericardial sac, the right auricle of the heart, the root of the aorta, the lower lobe of the right lung, the thoracic aorta, the body of the eighth thoracic vertebra, and the bead of the right ninth rib.

There is a gunshot wound of exit of the right side of the back, located 19-1/2 inches below the top of the head and 1-3/4 inch to the right of the posterior midline. The entrance wound is ovoid, slightly irregular, measures 1/2 inch, and is surrounding by a circumferential, up to 1/4 inch, shored abrasion. There is no firearm residue.

Note, in the article, this wound was described as being the result of a "medium caliber bullet", but with a 1/4 inch diameter entrance wound was almost assuredly a .223 round from a police weapon.

As well, in the report: A medium caliber, minimally deformed, copper jacketed, spent bullet is recovered from a defect in the back of the vest.

I'm not a doctor, so comments are welcome.

16 posted on 08/13/2015 2:04:05 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: MeganC
My suspicion is that the police shot and killed all of them and from a distance.

Which would explain the vague ballistics report. Standard police procedure in police shootings is to clam up until they know all the evidence that might in any way be used against them, then produce a narrative that explains it all away.

17 posted on 08/13/2015 2:06:49 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: showme_the_Glory

More importantly, what does the ME consider to be a “medium caliber”? In the first report, the “minimally deformed bullet was recovered from a defect in the vest”. That bullet could have been calipered to show the caliber of the weapon. Not doing so raises questions of burying Brady Material.


18 posted on 08/13/2015 2:07:08 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: M1911A1
A 5.56mm from a police rifle is close to that, but so is a 9mm or .380 from a pistol.

There are a lot of medium-caliber hollow-point +P rounds meant to enlarge te wound channel and impart all their momentum to a small area -- just sayin'

19 posted on 08/13/2015 2:10:43 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
I don’t believe you can support that none of them were shot at close range.

The forensic evidence says that none of them were shot at close range. I'm just reading the report is all.

20 posted on 08/13/2015 2:10:53 PM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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