Open Letter to the Pro and Anti Trump Freepers

August 10, 2015 | Self

[Williams]

You have to understand what (I believe) Cruz is saying. You actually shut the door on millions of illegals, and you return to a policy of only legal immigration and only letting in those who can contribute to our society.

I realize nurses and engineers fear this because places like India are producing a lot of engineers. Of course you don’t want to flood the job market with lower paid foreigners, but it only makes sense to say that once you stop illegals the country can return to a healthier legal immigration system.

[SamAdams76]

I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek when I spoke of Trump's "missteps and blunders." Should have put it in quotes like I just did here.

What I was trying to get across was that despite these so-called "missteps and blunders", Trump's support was continuing to get stronger, which is a punch in the stomach for the media that are trying to destroy him.

I still think that Trump will eventually do or say something that will cause him to lose support. But I might just be wrong. It's going to be very interesting.

[Williams]

I want Cruz because of his policies and intellect. Actually his steadfast character as well.

But watching the debate my honest reaction to Cruz was “next time”. But if possible I will take him this time.

[caww]

....”At least Trump wouldn’t be ‘bowing’ down to every dictator”...

No..he’ll be make ‘deals’ with them.

Not sure what’s going on with the rest of your post.

[Paul R.]

I can certainly empathize. I was laid off in 2008 from a failing company. (Inadequate company strategy & resources, the overall economy, and the implosion of the industry I was in were all factors in the company’s demise.) I never was able to land a salaried job: Employers are sometimes as averse to hiring an overqualified person as underqualified, perhaps because they know the former will move on if at all possible. Luckily I’d saved / prepared and was able to restart an old business of my own that I’d mostly hibernated - but the 1st 2 years as I lost money at it were really rough.

That said, I am not anti-legal-immigrant, at levels that don’t seriously affect wage competition in the US. My wife is from a 3rd world country, and is a huge plus for the US of A (and me!!!) Some of the people at other companies I now work with are incredibly talented immigrants: Again, they are a big boon to both their employers and to the US.

What doesn’t make sense is importation of big numbers of people when so many citizens have been pushed completely out of the workforce.

[caww]

lololol....

[caww]

It’s so funny....we all say what we think might happen regarding Trump but every time with that we all do an add-on...”But I might be wrong”...hahah! Oh the “mystery” of Trump....LOLOL.

[Gumdrop]

A very good screed. I still think Donald trump is a blow-hard - but is a good example of how to fight back, and how to get the peoples’ attention to issues that the MSM is ignoring. Also, I’m with most Freepers regarding the disgust at the GOP in Washington DC.

Cruz is a great candidate. Carson would be very good in the Dept. of Health; Fiorina is good on the stump - but I am yet to see her as a serious candidate; I still like Walker and Jindal too.

[Gator113]

Well said.

[familyop]

"I especially want to point out the virtues of Ted Cruz and Ben Carson."

Quite a few of Trump's advocates have also mentioned Carson as one of their favorites.

Ben Carson on Gun Control
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ben_Carson.htm#Gun_Control
"Semi-automatic weapons ok in countryside, but not cities. (Mar 2013)"

Donald Trump on Gun Control
http://www.ontheissues.org/donald_trump.htm#Gun_Control
"For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check. (Jul 2000)"

[dfwgator]

Well said.

Of course, I'm a Gator. ;)

[RasterMaster]

Never have been a fan of the Trump TV circus and media sideshow, but curiously watched him in the recent debate aftermath which reminded me of why I would do a write-in for my neighbors cat before I would vote for Trump. His bragging about getting favors in exchange for political contributions to the Clinton’s was more than enough to turn my stomach. He’s a pretty good alternative to those normally voting democrat, but i am still surprised by the amount of support from conservatives.

While it’s still too early to call, I’ve narrowed the short list down to Cruz and Carson as my top choices with Santorum and Jindal as fallbacks. It would take alot more convincing by Walker, Rubio or Paul to be included on that list, but that’s about as far out as I would go with electable selections.

I recall Carly being pushed several years ago as a VP for McLame or Romney. While I didn’t remember the specifics, I did remember that there was something not matching with the rhetoric and wasn’t interested in finding out more. Saw something recenly about her being anti-Cruz which confirmed any reasoning for not including her.

Again writing in the neighbors cat if for some reason the country goes entirely stupid and lets another Bush, Goober Graham, Crispy Creme Christy, or the Huckster get anywhere close to the nomination.

Same goes for Perry, Pataki, Gilmore, and Kasich...just not interested in the compromises necessary for the moderates to be even remotely palatable at this point.

[Gator113]

; )

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Right on

[IwaCornDogs]

Nice job, SamAdams ~

Here’s to The 2’nd American Revolution ...

May we be Victorious,
Through the wise actions of Leaders & Patriots
And Prayerful,
for His continued Blessings ...

Through The Strong Son of God,

For The Greatest Nation on Earth ~

For if we are without Him .... We Are Nothing

Prayers Up

[Organic Panic]

My theory is Trump is acting as a bulldozer for a candidate he likes. Cruz possibly. Trump will destroy the democrat and take all the arrows thus protecting who he really wants to be president. The third party threat will be if the GOP gives us Jebby. The country is doomed either way if Jeb or Hillary face off. Illegal amnesty forever turns this nation in to a socialist dump run by the gimmedats.

[American Faith Today]

First of all, this is a good idea and a good thread.

I too hate to see the base split and fighting. I hate to see that almost as much as I hate to see Christians fighting amongst themselves. We probably have Christians fighting amongst themselves as it is on this.

But I did want to CAUTION (not start a fight) about Trump showing us how to fight back and how to win. I don’t know that he was the first to do it- in fact I’d say certainly not. In recent cycles we’ve seen Gingrich do it, Rand Paul and even Fiorina to a lesser extent of, if not throwing the pressure back on the media, throwing it back on the Democrats.

Has Trump won? Or is he winning? I guess if you look at the polls you could say yes. But again, I’d CAUTION that this happens to us I think too often. We gain a little momentum, achieve some victories, and we let our guard down only to find out that’s exactly what our enemy was waiting for.

Now Trump, if he’s legit, he’s not going to let his guard down. But we as conservatives have done that as a whole all too often on all too many issues. Or at least, the Republicans have. But that’s a whole other ball of wax.

There may be another way to win than Trump’s enraged bull in a china shop routine. But in the meantime I guess it does have its effectiveness and entertainment value.

[fr_freak]

Anti-Trump FReeper = conservative not wiling to support a liberal for the Republican nomination.

Here's my thought on that, for what it's worth:

I look at the presidential candidates that the GOP has handed us for the last 25 years and I see nothing but mealy-mouthed, left-leaning elitists. George W Bush. John McCain. Mitt Romney. These guys aren't even close to representing the average joe USA, let alone conservative average joe USA. And now look what the GOP is trying to foist upon us: Jeb Bush (#%$&*@#!!) If there were even one person among the GOP establishment with a single foot on the ground and half a brain, Jeb wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the GOP playing field, if only because of the Bush name, let alone because he's a pro-amnesty, 2nd-generation New World Order, Clinton-kissing, Schiavo-killing milquetoast. Yet here he is - the obvious GOP chosen frontrunner. Most of the other yahoos bursting out of the GOP clown car aren't much better.

So, the expectation for any conservative voter should be that we're not going to get a conservative from the GOP establishment. We'd love to go third-party but we know it will be a painful number of years until any third party gains traction, and by then the once-great USA will be a smoldering crater fruitlessly manned by aggrieved mestizos. Having a candidate within the GOP like Trump is the closest thing we'll have to a viable third-party candidate. Sure, he is not a conservative in any real sense, BUT NEITHER ARE ANY OF THE OTHER GOP NOMINEES. At least Trump would take over the White House like he would the CEO chairmanship of a corporation he just bought out and drive that company toward success without spending even a fraction of a second wringing his hands over which gender-confused sniveler is offended by his choice of breakfast cereal today.

That is why conservatives, real conservatives who haven't filtered out every last drop of piss and vinegar from their veins through the mainstream media dialysis machine, can not only stand to support Trump, but even hoist a stiff drink in his honor. It's about time somebody kicked the left-wing thought-control machine in the family jewels, and as long as Trump's the man doing it, he'll get plenty of cheers from the cheap seats.

[South40]

Thanks for your well thought out post.

I see it differently. Trump is a liberal. I trust no liberal. You apparently do because you like what he has been saying.

Ted Cruz may have his faults but it's not accurate to say he is not a conservative because he is.

I'm supporting the only conservative in the race, Ted Cruz.

Thanks again.

[fr_freak]

If Ted Cruz wins, I will be as happy as can be. I think it is telling that Cruz refuses to badmouth Trump. That’s smart. Very smart. I wish the other idiots had that sort of wisdom and intelligence. It may very well be that Trump’s candidacy exposes the limp-wrists of the GOP early on, disqualifying them, and leaves Cruz as the last man standing. If so, then I would thank God twice as much for the Trump phenomenon as I do now. However, like Charlie Brown with the football, I think I have finally learned my lesson about putting too much hope into a man, especially one who has so many establishment ties (as Cruz does - I believe his wife works for Goldman-Sachs). So, while I have respect for Cruz, I watch him with a wary eye.