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Researcher who questioned CARB wins legal victory and settlement
Land Line ^ | 3/10/2015 | Charlie Morasch

Posted on 08/03/2015 4:39:13 AM PDT by Zhang Fei

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1 posted on 08/03/2015 4:39:13 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei

California Air Resources Board


2 posted on 08/03/2015 4:42:42 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Zhang Fei

The Church of Green.

L. Ron Hubbard was very smart to combine pseudo-science with religion by naming his cult Scientology.


3 posted on 08/03/2015 4:43:29 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Amagi

Yeah. Half of the people on CARB do not even have college degrees. And this Mary Nichols is really a piece of work.


4 posted on 08/03/2015 4:54:34 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder
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To: Zhang Fei

Thus showing that the EPA is a corrupt institution. The air pollution rules are based, not on false science, but on lies. Air quality rules are a way of imposing upon the American people an agenda that is intended to inhibit energy use and human activity in general. It has a deliberate end goal of suppressing our prosperity.

Air quality rules are based in part on levels of particulate matter. Those who make the rules get to control what the definition of these hazards. It is clear now that these definitions are driven far more by ideology than by sound science. Indeed sound science is the enemy of their ideology.

This is evil.


5 posted on 08/03/2015 5:05:17 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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if they come for you with a law suit, come to them with a gun


6 posted on 08/03/2015 5:11:14 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... No peace? then no peace!)
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To: bert

If they come at you with a sham lawsuit, come back at them with a Constitution. (Which BTW contains a 2nd ammendment)


7 posted on 08/03/2015 5:17:16 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Its the agenda over all.

See Climate Change insanity for further details.


8 posted on 08/03/2015 5:20:57 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: epluribus_2

——come back at them with a Constitution——

in theory perhaps

in practical terms, that is a losing proposition. there is effectively no constitution and thus no legal defense worthy of the name


9 posted on 08/03/2015 5:22:15 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... No peace? then no peace!)
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Here’s hoping that with more victories like Dr. Enstrom’s, universities will learn that censorship is expensive

Really?? $140k???? vs, how many MILLIONS of Fed research dollars?

This ruling won't do anything to change the status quo.

10 posted on 08/03/2015 5:23:48 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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I’m happy for Mr. Enstrom but a settlement this small doesn’t change anything. The financial hit is insignificant and the settlement prior to trial will not affect the broader policies that keep these libs in charge.


11 posted on 08/03/2015 5:29:14 AM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: theBuckwheat; Zhang Fei
Any researcher studying the health effects of burning fossil fuel, such as Enstrom, is not going to have much credibility if that researcher, Enstrom, also did research saying that inhaling burned tobacco had no negative health effects.

The fossil fuel industry is tracking along the same route that the tobacco industry took, separated only by time.

Initially, try to fight it with opposing science and after that stops working, shift to fighting it with public relations.

From an academic point, it takes more than a single study(Enstrom's study) to develop policy.

When Enstrom's tobacco company grant money dried up, he shifted to fossil fuel. It would be several years after that before the court ruled against tobacco

12 posted on 08/03/2015 5:31:19 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: theBuckwheat

One man fighting back a small tendril of a massive beast with no name. All alone. Against all odds. He won.

Where are the rest?


13 posted on 08/03/2015 5:52:30 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: Zhang Fei

The mere fact that they fired a scientist who asked legitimate questions tells you everything you need to know about the AGW cult running CARB and the EPA.

Also important to note that UCLA did not want to go to trial and settled out of court...if their ‘science’ is good, why not defend it? They have virtually unlimited resources.


14 posted on 08/03/2015 5:58:51 AM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: outofsalt

You’re right, and had Enstrom been forced to finance the lawsuit from his own funds, you can bet a final legal bill in the mid 6 figures (or higher) would have resulted. Maybe his attys were awarded their fees in this settlement, I don’t know. The $100K he collected thus is poor compensation for the effort and in 95+% of cases, plaintiffs in his position are absolutely forced to abandon their cases long before anything of substance is achieved.


15 posted on 08/03/2015 6:01:21 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder
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To: Zhang Fei

David and (zombie) Goliath. I like it ;’)


16 posted on 08/03/2015 6:02:40 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Couldn’t it possibly be that Enstrom wasn’t interested in monetary compensation as much as he was interested in being reinstated? That’s a huge black eye for UCLA...


17 posted on 08/03/2015 6:09:38 AM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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“Any researcher studying the health effects of burning fossil fuel, such as Enstrom, is not going to have much credibility if that researcher, Enstrom, also did research saying that inhaling burned tobacco had no negative health effects”

Your comment addresses Enstrom’s work on second-hand smoke, which (other than “global warming”) may be the most politicized area of current scientific research, and one that cries out for the sort of objective and unbiased analysis of data which I see in Enstrom’s work.

The evaluation of research on second-hand smoke is so badly politicized that even the Washington Post has had to comment on the dishonesty inherent in the field:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/29/AR2007012901158.html

And that research has been so badly politicized that the World Health Organization has tried to repress its own research when it didn’t conform to the conventional wisdom that secondhand smoke was a deadly threat:
http://web.archive.org/web/20021128202555/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1998/03/08/wtob08.html

In Enstrom’s own words: “I examined mortality risks associated with both active and passive smoking over a 39-year follow-up period. I published a paper with these findings in the May 17, 2003 British Medical Journal [3] (Pdf). This is the largest, most detailed, and most transparent epidemiologic paper on passive smoking and mortality ever published in a major medical journal. I found no relationship with passive smoking, but found a strong, long-term relationship with active smoking. In the years since its publication, no errors have been identified in the study, not even by the ACS, which possesses the underlying data. The BMJ editor has strongly defended my paper [4]. Although there is nothing wrong with my BMJ paper, since May 2003 I have been subjected to a massive and continuous campaign of ad hominem attack and character assassination, as typified by the “Enstrom & Tobacco” comments on the SourceWatch article about me.”

Enstrom should be applauded for the courage he’s shown in his willingness to report factual results even when they bring about the rage of powerful forces and generate unwarranted personal attacks on his character, which is what I consider your comment to be yet another example of.


18 posted on 08/03/2015 6:23:03 AM PDT by Stosh
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I’m just a poster at free republic, so it is more important what the judge thought.


19 posted on 08/03/2015 6:43:32 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Zhang Fei

This is the real threat to democracy where we have unelected agencies who have the power to make laws.


20 posted on 08/03/2015 6:58:02 AM PDT by kik5150
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