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Flouting The Law, Some New Yorkers Won't Register Guns (NPR)
NPR ^ | July 24th '15 | Joel Rose

Posted on 07/24/2015 5:21:22 PM PDT by Drango

New York state has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. Compliance with those laws is another matter.

New York passed a broad package of gun regulations after the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., despite the objections of hunters and gun rights advocates. Now it appears that many gun owners are refusing to comply with a key provision that requires the registration of so-called assault weapons.

"I think this law was so incredibly repressive that it drove people to the point now that they're basically saying we're not going to abide by any more laws," says Brian Olesen, the owner of American Trade and Goods and several other outdoor stores around Albany, N.Y., that stock a wide range of guns for hunting and self-defense. Olesen says his customers overwhelmingly oppose the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act — or SAFE Act, as the 2013 gun law is known.

[The SAFE Act] still may be law, but the people of New York state have repealed it on their own. They're just ignoring the law.

Tom King, president of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association

The law has some of the nation's toughest regulations on guns and ammunition, including a ban on the sale of so-called "military style assault weapons," like the AR-15 style long rifle used in the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. It also requires New Yorkers to register the assault weapons they already own with police.

Critics of the law see registration as the first step toward confiscation. And some say they just won't do it.

"I just don't see there's any need to," says Joseph Fuller of Cohoes, N.Y. Fuller says he owns several guns, including at least one that he's required to register under the SAFE Act. But he hasn't.

"I don't pay attention, to be honest," says Fuller. "I have friends out in the boondocks. They won't register their guns either. And they told me ... don't even bother. Don't worry about it."

No one knows exactly how many so-called assault weapons there are in New York. But the number is likely far more than the 45,000 that have been registered so far. The New York State Police released that number recently, but only after being ordered to by a court.

Supporters of the SAFE Act disagree.

"I think 45,000 is a lot of assault weapons. I think it's evidence of how long overdue this law is," says Leah Barrett, executive director of New Yorkers Against Gun Violence. Barrett points out that multiple public opinion polls — including one commissioned by her group — show that 60 percent of New Yorkers support the SAFE Act.

"They support the background check requirement. They support the state's ban on military-style assault weapons. They even support the background checks on ammunition sales," says Barrett, "because they know that these are entirely reasonable."

Still, the law's opponents show no signs of backing down. They've been especially loud in upstate New York, where hunting is a big part of the culture. Among them are many elected county sheriffs.

"When I prioritize what I need to do as a sheriff, the SAFE Act comes in at the bottom of that list," says Christopher Moss, the sheriff in Chemung County, a rural area near the Pennsylvania border. "I do look at it personally as an infringement on Second Amendment rights."

That puts Moss and many other state sheriffs at odds with Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo. Cuomo touted the SAFE Act during his re-election campaign last year. His administration did not respond to requests for comment on the apparent lack of enforcement.

And this month, Cuomo agreed to postpone another controversial part of the law: a statewide database to track ammunition purchases.

"When the database is ready, it will be instituted," Cuomo told reporters this month. "But if people are worried that we're gonna do that before it's ready, we're not gonna do that before it's ready."

That did not appease upstate Republican lawmakers. Some are still trying to repeal the SAFE Act. And gun rights groups are challenging the law in court. A federal judge in Buffalo upheld most of the law in 2013. An appeals court is expected to rule on the case this year.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York
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"[The SAFE Act] still may be law, but the people of New York state have repealed it on their own. They're just ignoring the law."

The people say; FU NY.

1 posted on 07/24/2015 5:21:22 PM PDT by Drango
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To: Drango
Hasn't NPR heard? "Flouting the law" is all the rage these days.

And the trend started at the very top.

2 posted on 07/24/2015 5:22:48 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Drango

Mr. Fuller will be arrested, admitted lawbreaker, and to a reporter. Dumbass.


3 posted on 07/24/2015 5:23:37 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Drango
Flouting The Law, Some New Yorkers Won't Register Guns (NPR)

Hey NPR, maybe they're just declaring themselves to be "A Sanctuary City of One."

4 posted on 07/24/2015 5:24:24 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: Drango

Civil disobedence has become a new American practice.


5 posted on 07/24/2015 5:24:58 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Drango

Since nearly ALL levels of government, agencies and other government entities have seen fit to ignore laws and rules whenever they choose, why should NPR be “surprised” or “shocked” that The People have seen fit to do the same?


6 posted on 07/24/2015 5:26:33 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Drango

The Constitution is a yellowed piece of paper? Well guess what Democraps, so are your idiotic pronouncements. Antinomianism cuts both ways, you dumb asses.


7 posted on 07/24/2015 5:27:48 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Drango

Wonder what NPR thinks about sanctuary cities flouting the law? Crickets......


8 posted on 07/24/2015 5:30:03 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Drango


9 posted on 07/24/2015 5:30:52 PM PDT by QT3.14 (California DMV: Department of Mexican Voting)
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To: Drango

There are no reasonable restrictions on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. There are no reasonable requirements to register any firearms or ammunition. This law can be repealed peacefully, or it can be resisted. I doubt that resistance against big government liberal thugs will stay peaceful.


10 posted on 07/24/2015 5:31:34 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Drango

To be accurate they are ignoring unconstitutional laws.


11 posted on 07/24/2015 5:32:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Steely Tom

Gun Sanctuary.
Well behaved firearms Welcome.


12 posted on 07/24/2015 5:35:03 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

A good argument can be made that it is the duty of citizens to resist or refuse to comply.

This is what the `rats call “civil disobedience”.

http://www.crisispapers.org/texts/UCMJ.htm

The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809.ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the “lawful command of his superior officer,” 891.ART.91 (2), the “lawful order of a warrant officer”, 892.ART.92 (1) the “lawful general order”, 892.ART.92 (2) “lawful order”. In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.


13 posted on 07/24/2015 5:43:56 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Drango

Adirondack Mountains is a CUOMO-FREE Zone.


14 posted on 07/24/2015 5:44:13 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")))))
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To: Steely Tom; tet68

Yep, that’s me, I am my own sanctuary! Get to make me own rules now, don’t i !


15 posted on 07/24/2015 5:44:58 PM PDT by onona (If I agree with something Donald says in a forest, and no one hears, am I still a "Trumper" ?)
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To: Drango
Lie. Defy. Do not Comply.
16 posted on 07/24/2015 5:46:02 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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To: QT3.14

Oh, that’s perfect.

I foresee a new t-shirt coming...


17 posted on 07/24/2015 5:50:27 PM PDT by moovova
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To: Biggirl

“Civil disobedence has become a new American practice.”

No, civil disobedience is a very old American practice. It just needed to be taken down from the shelf and dusted off.


18 posted on 07/24/2015 5:52:32 PM PDT by beelzepug (liberalism is not...a political philosophy. It is a stage of arrested emotional development.)
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To: skeeter

That’s what I was thinking. This is going to spread, it’s already in operation when it comes to illegals, drugs, non-pharmaceutical drugs, and gun registration. People are sensing, if they’re not seeing, that we are no longer a nation of laws.


19 posted on 07/24/2015 5:52:48 PM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Drango

When a government is hostile to its citizenry rules of war trump rule of law. #1 rule of war is you don’t give the enemy ****.


20 posted on 07/24/2015 5:55:26 PM PDT by GoneSalt
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