Posted on 07/23/2015 3:57:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
“Oh.. when did his go up? Did you have a look at the polls yesterday? They’re in the tank.”
I linked results showing you a 30 point increase since MAY and yet you double down on the stupid.
Donald is going to the border today. What is your candidate doing?
I have no use for Trump and think he's a political fraud, but if he runs Third Party and acts as spoiler for Jeb, I really couldn't care less, just as I really didn't care whether we got Clinton or Bush I/Dole in 1992/6.
The RNC has overplayed its hand of "vote for whoever we pick for you, because the alternative is a liberal Democrat." The reason this no longer works is that the RNC pushes candidates who could just as well run as Democrats.
If the RNC supported halfway decent candidates in the primaries for a change (something they haven't done since 1984), they wouldn't have to worry about third party challengers or low voter turnout to begin with.
Exactly, Trump is useful, so let’s use him while he is still useful. If he destroys the GOPe, that’s a good thing, then we’ll deal with Trump.
Right, the jig is up, and now they are mad.
Here is the thing I don’t get...why does any political party believe it is entitled to votes from a segment of the population? Is it some sort of welfare?
Looking at the candidates the Republicans have fielded -- McCain, the most liberal Republican possible; Romney, another RINO; Dole, too old to win; and Bushes, win elections but don't use their victories to crush the liberal agenda -- does it matter? A Republican candidate like these will not reverse the damage, only slow it down.
I for one am so fed up with Republicans I'd go third party. We gave them the House AND the Senate and they have not done one thing to stop nor even slow down the Obama agenda.
The point is that he’s still deep in the tank, at or near dead last among ALL candidates. How is that “doubling down on the stupid?”
It’s pointless to go on.. you’re obviously OK with Trump’s disdain for property rights and support for “universal health care” and closeness with the Clintons, and I’m not. Trump is not, nor will he ever be my candidate.
Republicans WILL be the third party before too long, especially if they nominate Yeb.
Because of the need for campaign fund raising they have forgotten that money can't actually buy votes.
No, sport. YOU made the accusation I’m some kind of RINO supporter. YOU substantiate it.
Try to keep up. They are threatening to block him from the debates. If they do that, there will be hell to pay.
That's probably what I loathe most about Jeb and Hillary: their candidacies just ooze a sense of entitlement.
Every election, the candidates annointed for coronation by their political parties try to scare voters away from "extremist" candidates in their own parties or away from third parties as "wasted votes," while in the meantime offering voters no real choice with D vs. R. They act as though they somehow own the votes of millions of Americans without doing the least bit to earn it.
I really don't see Trump's appeal, but I understand the appeal of a third party "none of the above" vote as a matter of principle when Jeb and Hillary could switch parties without anyone noticing.
He also told little Anderson Cooper that he would have reason to run Third Party when little Anderson Cooper asked him about it.
His response was, why would I need to do that when I am double digits ahead of most of the other Republican Candidates?
The Liberals are trying to Salt the Ground, and they are failing. Too bad the Republicans are trying to do the same thing.
No, sport. I don’t care what your are. I was just pointing out what I thought was a flaw in your logic.
Having so many conservative or pseudoconservative candidates in the GOP primary seems to be part of the RNC plan to coronate Jeb. Think about it: there are some liberal Republicans running who may take some votes from Jeb (Christie, Pataki, Graham), but their number and poll numbers pale in comparison to the split among conservatives and pseudoconservatives (Cruz, Walker, Paul, Perry, Jindal, Santorum, Huckabee). Rubio probably takes votes from both sides: some establishment Republicans, as well as some Tea Party types who aren't wise to him.
If there were a single conservative candidate as a Jeb alternative, he would win the primaries easily, but splitting it among a dozen candidates practically guarantees that we'll be stuck with him.
The most useful thing Trump accomplished was to show just how serious the conservative grassroots are about securing the border and opposing amnesty. The message to GOPe is "run pro-amnesty candidates, and we'll either vote third party or not vote at all."
As I said before, it's an important message, if only we had a better messenger (i.e. one who wasn't saying the exact opposite 4 years ago when that's what it took to stir the pot and get in the headlines).
“I’d give the election a pass before voting for Trump.”
“I’d give the election a pass before voting for Jebbie.”
Can you seriously not see that he will never keep to his current supposedly conservative positions? Those are the positions he takes when he wears his politician hat. Once Hillary is safely in the White House and Trump has flip flopped all over again to get in the good graces of the NY liberal establishment, he'll just claim (with typical Trump flair and bombast) that he had to take those conservative positions because it's what he needed to do to get votes - but now that he is back to being in real estate he puts on the new hat with all new positions.
I agree with your assessment of Trump and the people who fall for his act. How soon they forget that he was attacking Republicans in 2012 for being anti-amnesty and donating to the Clinton foundation.
The trouble is, while I have no sympathy for Trump's candidacy, I have plenty of sympathy for those who want a third party alternative. The GOP keeps trying to scare us with "vote for our establishment candidates or else you'll get Hillary," which is a stupid threat when you realize that their candidates of choice agree with Hillary on more issues than they disagree.
Take immigration as an issue. The only GOP candidate who has been fairly consistently anti-amnesty is Cruz (though he's also been fairly mealy-mouthed about it), and he's not doing well in the polls, mainly because the conservative vote has been so splintered. That's why people who want something done about this issue are grasping at any straw they can find, even Trump.
Donald could just debate himself, since he changes his mind daily --
Are you Democrat, Republican or independent?
Are you for or against universal health care?
Are you for against amnesty?
Are you for or against using cheap foreign labor for your products?
Are you for or against abortion?
And on and on and on....
bert is right. Folks who didn’t go out in 2012 and vote Romney (When they voted McCain in 2008) can look in the mirror and see who is at fault for the international fix we are in.
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