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To: Fantasywriter
Your response is, ‘Since I assume she was there, then in fact she was there, and all these people would have known about it.’

So you're combining both rant and straw man arguments into one froth-at-the-mouth retort. Good one.

That wasn't my point; you're badly paraphrasing it. My point was that Maraniss's historical account is obviously incomplete -- it lacks the testimony of those who had the BEST first-hand knowledge. And there are plausible explanations why those other persons more remote from the immediate family going's on may not have noticed S.A. pregnant, e.g., it was a scandalous pregnancy and the Dunhams preferred that S.A. be out of sight, like many others in that era with pregnant teen daughters. This shouldn't be so hard for you to fathom.

You have an illogical and disordered mind.

Ah, and the projection comes in full flurry.

You have no comprehension of what constitutes evidence or witness testimony.

And how many trials have you conducted where you've had to prepare witness testimony and navigate the rules of evidence? I'll bet the house that I've done more than you have. You are the height of silliness here.

That assumes she was there.

I don't have to assume anything. There's a birth certificate that says S.A. was there. There's a school application submitted by S.A. and Lolo that says Barack was born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961. There's INS file records pertaining to BHO (Sr) that indicate a son born in Hawaii on that date. There are passport records of Stanley Ann indicating the same. Obama himself stated to the New York Times, Washington Post, Chicgo Tribune, and L.A. Times (and it was reported in each of those national publications) in 1990 that he was "born in Hawaii."

You're attempting the fatuous argument that because in 2008 and later a person can't be found who recalls S.A. pregnant in Hawaii 50 years earlier all this other evidence is somehow wrong.

Please stop wasting my time.

As with our prior 4 or 5 interactions, you were the one to first ping me. Then, as before, you get upset when I get you off your script by asking you questions you can't (or won't) answer. Then you get all huffy.

Your pattern is predictable. That's why I don't initiate these dialogues with you.

All this has been explained to you before, but you are evidently too thick to grasp it.

More projection. I've pointed out to you before that you've got no evidence of a pregnant S.A. anywhere . So that means either (1) she didn't give birth at all (which you're not claiming) or (2) it's quite possible to carry a pregnancy to term and have no extant witnesses to that 50 years later (which shoots down your supposed "point."). You had no answer to this logical deconstruction of your argument before; you have no answer now. Now as before you have to resort to the same "you just don't get it" projection.

if this is the best you can do.

Right back at you. This IS the best you can do, which is why Birther theories and arguments are viewed as the tinfoil hat stuff they are by so many, even most conservatives.

119 posted on 07/23/2015 9:01:06 AM PDT by CpnHook
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To: CpnHook

So many words to deny that you did what you did. I.e.: you said ‘all these dead people would have affirmed I’m right...because I’m right.’

I have no doubt you have prepared many dead people to take the witness stand and give verbal testimony in a trial. Sounds exactly like something you’d do.

BTW, if you can’t answer the question I asked, don’t bother answering a question I didn’t ask.


120 posted on 07/23/2015 9:44:19 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: CpnHook

I will always allow for the possibility that Obama’s parents and/or grandparents arranged for someone at Kapi’olani Hospital to create a falsified data birth certificate for him. Since he signed it, the most likely hypothetical candidate would be Attending Ob-Gyn David Sinclair, M.D.

The motivation for creating a birth certfcate would be to insure American citizenship for the child or to increase the odds of the father being granted Permanent Resident Alien status with an American wife AND child. That zips an alien up to the top of the list for a Green Card.

Forty-seven years later when Hawaii government officials went to check on the birth record, they found a “real” original vital record in the files.

Back in 1961 there was almost no attention paid to idenity theft or the current day issues of illegal immigration.


121 posted on 07/23/2015 10:42:58 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: CpnHook

More Garbage, not worth reading.


150 posted on 07/23/2015 1:10:16 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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