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Putting Women in Combat Is an Even Worse Idea Than You’d Think
National Review ^ | July 15, 2015 | MIKE FREDENBURG

Posted on 07/16/2015 5:57:08 AM PDT by xzins

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1 posted on 07/16/2015 5:57:08 AM PDT by xzins
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This is not merely theory: One Army study focusing on Operation Iraqi Freedom found women are almost twice as likely to suffer from non-combat related disease and injuries and are twice as likely to be medevac’d out of the theater of operations. Historical non-deployment rates for women are three to four times than that of men. Women suffer many times the rate of stress fractures and ACL injuries. All of this hurts combat readiness and increases costs. That we will still be able to defeat vastly inferior opponents is beside the point — more of our soldiers will die and our combat units will be less capable.

The military has been trying to devise programs that will close these gaps for decades, and hasn’t succeeded. A Royal Society of Medicine study on the British military found that that injuries skyrocketed for women “when they undertake the same arduous training as male recruits.” The end result was that women were eight times more likely to be discharged with back pain, tendon injuries, and stress fractures than their male counterparts. Indeed, many studies show that rigorous training only widens the gap between men and women.

This is all before we get to unit cohesion. If you have been around more than a couple of decades, you know that men and women working together in tight quarters will develop infatuations and relationships that will affect unit discipline and morale. Even mature, highly disciplined men and women are susceptible. The U.S. military is already awash in discipline and morale problems coming out of female–male interactions. Captain Serrano notes that “platoon commanders in co-ed units already deal with a tremendous amount of drama, pregnancies, and sex in the co-ed unit barracks.” The unavoidable disruption means units that are less lethal and less survivable.

The push to put women into combat is driven by an extreme, reality-challenged form of feminism. Unfortunately, its influence in the media, the entertainment industry, our universities, and politics has given it a tremendous base of political power that extends into the heart of the military. Jude Eden notes: “In my experience, feminism and political correctness are so prevalent in the military that men trip over themselves trying to ensure they do not offend. Military leaders cannot afford to even think the truth: Women are not as strong and athletic as strong, athletic men are.” Officers in the military understand that speaking honestly about the problems of women in combat can be a career-ender, while putting gender-diversity goals ahead of everything else can be a career-accelerator.

2 posted on 07/16/2015 5:57:48 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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Sync our periods, give us machine guns and chocolate and stand back and watch.


3 posted on 07/16/2015 5:58:19 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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In an army unit, that just means they’d all get pregnant at once.


4 posted on 07/16/2015 6:00:20 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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Sync our periods..

That would have to be heavily guarded information--or else the enemy would know an advantageous time to attack, /S.

5 posted on 07/16/2015 6:01:56 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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LOL! Well, I didn’t. Too busy for that foolishness.

Army Vet. SFC/E-7, Combat Support Battalion Platoon Sergeant.

Bullets, Beans and Gasoline up to the Front Lines, Baby! :)


6 posted on 07/16/2015 6:02:48 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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Worse case scenario for an Isis scumbag is to get offed in battle by an Israeli female bad ass.


7 posted on 07/16/2015 6:06:45 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ( Obammy is a lie, a mooselimb and pond scum.)
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Had a bunch of conversations with our female brigade surgeon not too many years ago. She was royally PO’d at the female troops that came to her as deployment time came up. The closer it got, the greater their chances of pregnancy. In our 1st AD Support Brigade at that time she said it was approaching 30%.


8 posted on 07/16/2015 6:07:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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Both liberals and conservatives can look at the same set of facts and draw the exact opposite conclusions. If we ever get our clock cleaned in a war due to our PC policies (including putting women in combat), expect liberals to argue that we lost for reasons of: gender bias, white privilege, class inequity, yada, yada, yada.....

In short, they will never admit they made a fatal error in judgement.


9 posted on 07/16/2015 6:08:08 AM PDT by rbg81
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War is unrelenting brutality.

Our enemies will exploit every weakness we have for victory.


10 posted on 07/16/2015 6:08:31 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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Cat fight!


11 posted on 07/16/2015 6:10:56 AM PDT by huldah1776
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Good article and states the factual differences, on average, between gender.

The differences become more pronounced even when comparing any group of 100 men vs 100 women.

Besides, how are we suppose to tell if they are combat wounded or having a body function they have zero control over?


12 posted on 07/16/2015 6:12:44 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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Bad idea. Period. End of sentence.


13 posted on 07/16/2015 6:12:45 AM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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Well, you’re going to have those that find an easy way out, not matter WHAT situation you’re in. Nothing separates the women from the girls like combat. The world needs Cannon Fodder, too.

I waited until I was out of the Army to start my family. I loved Army Life too much to bother with kids, then. None of my inner circle of gal pals had kids, either. We were too busy rising through the ranks. My female BFFs to this day are a Major and a Chief Warrant Officer. We’ve been through a LOT, together.

All worth it. :)


14 posted on 07/16/2015 6:15:20 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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I believe they realize this is a terrible decision. I think they do it because they want America to fail. The equality line is just the words they use to get away with it.


15 posted on 07/16/2015 6:16:26 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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“Our enemies will exploit every weakness we have for victory.”

What do we do about that Enemy Combatant in the White House? And when is the last time you remember the USA actually craving VICTORY in battle? It’s been a while.

How I HATE what the Socialists have done to our military! Grrrr!


16 posted on 07/16/2015 6:17:12 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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bfl


17 posted on 07/16/2015 6:18:22 AM PDT by mykroar ("Never believe anything until it has been officially denied." - Otto von Bismarck)
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Our enemies will exploit every weakness we have for victory.

And they should. Their job is to win for their side. Our side seems to have forgotten that fact.

18 posted on 07/16/2015 6:18:59 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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Below is a response to a 4 star General’s piece in Army Times addressing why women should be in combat. The response was written by my brother a retired Army 0-6, an Air Assault Ranger who taught infantry tactics at the Army War College. I could not find better words to address this issue:

In General Dunwoody’s article “Equal Opportunities for Army Women?” she makes the case for allowing females to compete for ranger slots, Special Forces slots, and infantrymen slots. These positions require a soldier to “Close With and Destroy” the enemies of the United States. They are by far the most physically demanding slots the US Army has. Soldiers are expected to walk, run, jump, and assault with all their equipment and then win the fight when they get to the objective. They are to do this in rain, sleet, snow, heat, cold and in any type of terrain until the mission is over. In my letter, I would like to bring up some points that I believe General Dunwoody missed in her article.

First, women were allowed into West Point in 1976 and the Women Army Corps was disbanded in 1978. Yet you have to look no further than the US Army PT test standards and the indoor obstacle course standards at West Point to see that the US Army acknowledges that women are not able to perform at the same physical pace as men. In the Army, a 17 year old female has to do 42 pushups to achieve a maximum pushup score while a 62(+) year old male 4-Star general or CSM has to do 50. A seventeen year old man has to do 71 pushups for maximum score. In the run, a 17 year old female has to do 15:36 for two-miles to earn 100 points while a 62(+) male has to run it at 15:42. The 17 year old male has to run it in 13:00.

At West Point the Indoor Obstacle Course is famous or infamous for its difficulty. For a male cadet, you must run a 2:26 time for an A+. For female cadets, it is 3:14. If you run a 3:35 time for a female you get an A- while the same score gets an F for a male. West Point admitted women 39 years ago yet despite all the physical fitness programs and training over the last 39 years women are still “cut slack” on the standards for the obstacle course. West Point recognizes the differences in capabilities between men and women and grades accordingly. Why the disparity and “oppressiveness”? The US Army has in its infinite wisdom decided that there are physical differences between men and women and that these standards for “male” and “female” reflect reality. In General Dunwoody’s article, I see no push to change the PT standards for women either in the general Army or at West Point.

Second, there is a reason why there are no women in Major League Baseball, the NFL, NHL, or NBA. There is a reason why the fastest, strongest, highest leaping persons in the world are all men. The reason has nothing to do with sex but with capability. Women do not have the same physical capabilities as men. In sports, if you lose you go home and drink a beer. If you lose in combat, there is no going home. In May of 2015, there was a news story about a Delta Force raid into Syria that required “Hand to Hand” combat. This means (I assume) GI Joe was killing Jihadi John with his hands or knife or whatever weapon was available. In our mind’s eye, do we REALLY expect GI Jane to do that? If not, then why would we put her at risk?

Thirdly, Congress has decided that women will not be required to register for Selective Service. There are over 150,000,000 women in the United States yet none are obligated to register. The rationale is that in a time where conscription is needed (i.e. a large scale world war) men will be required to serve and women will not be required to do so. I see no clarion call from anyone (including General Dunwoody) advocating that women at 18 years of age be required to register for Selective Service. Nor do I see a rationale either why a country (USA) with 150,000,000 males can not provide for 30,000 knuckle-dragging infantrymen for its defense.

Lastly, fighting on the infantry battlefield is “Darwinian” in nature where the slowest and weakest are mostly likely not to make it. Why should our daughters/sisters/mothers be expected to do the nastiest, most brutish, and physically taxing killing jobs when they are inherently at a disadvantage because of their physical capabilities? What type of society puts its least physically capable in to do its most demanding tasks? General Dunwoody stated that 150 U.S. Servicewomen have been killed since 9/11. This means that over 6,000 servicemen have been killed since 9/11. I don’t see the necessity or sanity of making the ratios equal.


19 posted on 07/16/2015 6:20:41 AM PDT by affan76
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“...men and women working together in tight quarters will develop infatuations and relationships that will affect unit discipline and morale. Even mature, highly disciplined men and women are susceptible...”

And that goes DOUBLE for ‘alternate lifestyle’ people.


20 posted on 07/16/2015 6:21:35 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What is freedom? To have the will to be responsible for one's self. "M. Stirner)
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