Why Pope Francis Is Keeping His Hammer-and-Sickle Crucifix

National Review ^ | 07/14/2015 | Dennis Prager

[metmom]

This is ironic since one of the people you pinged labels herself as a “proud member of the Democrat party.

Since he only pinged two of us, go ahead and have the backbone to make the accusation right to our face.

Provide the link.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

If you read the latest interviews by Fellay he’s been quite frank about making sure the SSPX does not retain a schismatic/remnant mindset

I think Fellay is crazy. SSPX websites and literature are full of lies and deceptions. Do you know Juan Fernandez Krohn? He was a member of SSPX. He tried to assassinate John Paul II.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

Here is the thing. Conservative and Liberal political labels are not really the same in the Church as they are in the political arena. Even the most liberals nuns/sisters and priests are not generally pro-abortion. They may lack the courage to say anything to liberal politicians but it's true. In Church our disagreements center on emphasis. Example many of us want the Bishops to be more pro-active about abortion, not that any Bishop is pro-abort, but some make it more their emphasis then others. Others want to focus more on the poor and the immigrants. In both cases it really boils down to who we each think should pay for it.

The bottom line is that Catholics put pro-abort Obama into office, and the Catholic hierarchy put this Marxist pope into "office". Both are leading some of God's people to partake of these plagues that we're continuing to see come to be.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

If all the bigger churches are too liberal then gather in groups of two or more if you have to, the gates of hell cannot prevail against that, but 1900+ years of plagues has been enough.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

The SSPX practices the Catholic Faith as it was practiced up until 1964...and you call them schismatics...which must mean that you believe all Catholics prior to 1964

This is the typical style of SSPX argumentation. Lies and deceptions.

[kinsman redeemer]

Whoever made it probably took the Christ figure off of a crucifix.

Catholics don’t take Jesus off the cross.

[metmom]

Where there are institutions that feature adults working with youngsters, there are going to be molesters...regardless of the denominational stripe, or lack of same...think public schools, if you want a prime example of this at work...

Except the church presents itself as a bastion of faith and MORALS.

In light of Scripture, there is NO excuse at all for the current situation to exist.

It's not a matter of there happening to be those who will infiltrate and molest. It's the lack of response by the church in acting in accord with Scripture but rather allowing the situation to persist and in effect, watch the door while the acts were being committed, and then going on to protect the offenders.

Absolutely, totally, completely inexcusable for someone who takes the moral high ground.

[defconw]

I might just have to try it. I know probably just enough Latin to bluff my way through it. The parish is still in the good graces of the local Bishop. Of course it's in a crummy part of town. But I will try to make it to a Mass there.

Question, are the women wearing chapel veils generally?

[IrishBrigade]

The bottom line is that Catholics put pro-abort Obama into office

slight correction...females put Obama into office...females of all Christian denominations...I know it doesn’t advance your agenda, but who cares...

[xone]

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[onedoug]

...it means little when one can still receive the sacraments.

Prepared by "bad men"? Wouldn't that undermine their sanctity? Their transubstantiation?

Come on, mm. Think.

[onedoug]

And your solution is?...

[kinsman redeemer]

Good grief.

[Bigg Red]

The one true Church is not of men. Poor shepherds come and go, but the Gates of Hell will not prevail against the Roman Catholic Church.

[C. Edmund Wright]

True, I almost left out “maybe” - was being circumspect for those who might not be as attuned to this as you are....lot of conventional thinkers around FR.

[C. Edmund Wright]

I was being charitable....

[kinsman redeemer]

uh oh!
You said, “Transubstantiation”

The ride begins...in

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[bgill]

Where should we go?

Can't go to the Baptist or the Episcopalian, that's for sure.

[Bigg Red]

My answer at #93:

The one true Church is not of men. Poor shepherds come and go, but the Gates of Hell will not prevail against the Roman Catholic Church.

[Claud]

Patently untrue...the suburbs are teeming with liberal parishes and parishioners of all ages...can’t imagine what you are seeing...

I was imprecise. I meant the *flagrantly* liberal ones, not the dopey liberal go-along-to-get-along types. Yes, you are right that the average suburban parish is teeming with the latter. But those folks are not going to survive the coming persecution. They will either grow in their faith or apostasize.

Do you not believe that the TLM is the first thing in the crosshairs of Francis’ brood...the bulk of current prelates-and parishioners-absolutely hate it, and all it stands for...which is why I love it...

Of course! But I don't give a flip. They are prying that Mass out of my cold dead fingers. It *was never abrogated*, and it is the right of EVERY priest of the Latin Church to say it, as per Summorum Pontificum. Anyone tries to take it away, we send them out on their ear. If the POPE himself tries to take it away, we tell him to go pound sand. Period. Only a complete ultramontanist dope thinks that our allegiance to the See of Peter includes the willful abandonment of the traditional Roman liturgy.

Um, please note the last time something originating from the continent of Africa produced anything other than violence and bloodshed

What a ridiculous statement. St. Josephine Bakhita. The Ugandan martyrs. The Catholics in Nigeria and elsewhere whose lives are threatened by jihadist freaks everytime they walk to Church. The African bishops who are telling the West to stuff their stupid ideas on marriage into a sack.

[Bigg Red]

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