They [the ten commandments] are economically applicable,
Posted on 07/07/2015 5:02:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Former Democratic president and born-again Christian Jimmy Carter declared today that he believed that Jesus would embrace gay marriage. In support of this belief, flying in the fact of 2,000 years of scriptural and historical scholarship, Jimmy Carter cited noted theologian Jimmy Carter.
Let’s take a look at some of the language Carter and host Marc Lamont Hill used:
All of which seems be a tacit admission that Carter realizes there’s basically no textual or historical support for his assertion. He just believes that he’s right. And feelings, as the modern left will tell you, trump all.
There are two major and popular perceptions of Jesus, the divine Jesus Christ and the so-called “Historical Jesus,” historians’ attempt to reconstruct Jesus’ life without making any claims of divinity. Either way you conceive of Jesus, it’s extremely unlikely he was a gay marriage supporter.
If Jesus was just a man, he was a peasant in 1st century Galilee. He was a member of a religious community with extremely strict, patriarchal marriage laws and that believed homosexuality should be punished with death. The notion that he would have positive beliefs towards gay marriage literally millennia before any of the world’s brightest minds even considered that marriage could exist outside of a man-woman marriage… well, it’s more than a little far-fetched.
If there are any atheists or skeptics who do believe that Jesus was so incredibly prescient and ahead of his time, I earnestly suggest you might as well embrace His omniscience and divinity. But of course, you’d have to believe that the same disciples who copied down Jesus’ radical claims of divinity and complete equality of the sexes, races, and classes accidentally forgot to add the gay thing.
As for the notion that the Jesus of the Gospels — the Messiah and Son of God that Carter has worshiped for a lifetime — would support gay marriage… well, Carter was right to admit he didn’t have any scripture to quote. The kindest interpretation is that the Gospels are silent about gay marriage. At worst, they are explicit that marriage is intended to be between man and woman.
“Have you not read that He Who made them in the first place made them man and woman?” Jesus told the religious leaders of the day, “It says, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will live with his wife. The two will become one.’ So they are no longer two but one. Let no man divide what God has put together.” How heterocisnormative, am I right?
And again, one would have to believe that Jesus’ followers remembered and put to writing Jesus’ radical assertions that men and women were equal, that slave and free were equal, that poor and rich were equal, that Gentiles and Jews alike could worship and find eternal life in the God of Israel, but forgot to jot down that gay marriage was a-okay. Instead, St. Paul’s letters– which Christians like Carter believe were divinely inspired– rather explicitly condemn homosexuality alongside adultery and other sexual immortality.
Carter’s belief that Jesus would approve of gay marriage stems from his belief that Jesus would “approve of any love affair that was honest and sincere, and was not damaging to anyone else.” But this is simply false. Jesus was categorically opposed to relationships outside of marriage and divorce and remarriage, regardless of whether they “damaged” anybody. On the contrary, He taught that even looking at someone lustfully was a sin. No damages there.
Even when Jesus saved the adulteress from execution and told her tormentors to judge not lest they be judged, He told her to “sin no more.” He simply wasn’t a proponent of America’s post-Sexual Revolution anything-goes ethos. If Jesus lived today, we’d get weekly Jezebel articles explaining how he was a slut-shaming mansplainer waging a War on Women.
So setting aside the Gospels and historic conceptions of Jesus, what is Carter left with? His personal feelings and “intuition.”
But far, far more Christians across the globe believe he’s wrong. As Abraham Lincoln pointed out in the Gettysburg Address, both sides of the Civil War believed Providence was on their side. So did the Nazis and the United States, and the Crusaders and the Turks. When men decide what God would support based on their “institution” and personal beliefs, they almost always end up with a God parroting their own beliefs back to them. That’s why we Christians believe God inspired the Bible in the first place: so we could read it to figure out his stance on certain issues.
Liberals mocked George W. Bush mercilessly for claiming that God wanted him to invade Iraq and that God wanted him to be president (despite those quotes coming secondhand). We will see similar mockery of Carter’s presumption to know the heart of God, divorced from the actual language of the Bible and any historical context?
Somehow I doubt it.
Jimmuh Carter Suuuuper genius:
http://www.google.com/search?q=George+Ball+Carter+Shah+Ayatollah+Iran+Cyclone&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
That Jimmy Carter?
Oops
Jimmy doesn’t know Jesus Christ [very well].
Jesus Christ is God. (John 1)
He changes not. (Malachi 3)
He spake Leviticus 20:13 which is eternal.
No, He wouldn’t...but he turned water into wine...into the GOOD wine....what you think about that Ciaphas?
I think it was rather illustrative that the Corporate Headquarters for Ameriquest’s wine-press were across the street from the In Car Worship screen at the Crystal Cathedral branch of Name it and Claim it, Inc.
That’s what I think C. Edumbund Nebuchadnezzar.
In other words, you think Jesus was wrong to turn the water into the good wine....to serve to guests who were already tipsy.....as well as the Founding Fathers to think their Divine Inspiration about a free market society was correct.
Glad you admit that you think yourself above Jesus and the Founders. That’s scary dude.
What are you babbling about? You been into the wine too much tonight Ciaphas?
Rev 18:2-3 "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird. 3 the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."
NIV Name it and Claim it, C. Edumbund Nebuchadnezzar.
It’s really odd that you brought up “name it and claim it” - because I surely didn’t, and I surely never have bought into that. It’s just like your lies about RINO and so on.
But since you have still not answered a single question, I’ll ask two more again. Did Jesus make a mistake turning the water into the good wine.....and did the Founding Fathers mis what God was leading them to do when setting up a Constitution and Bill of Rights where a free market system was the only possible economic system?
One sure sign of faith immaturity is trying to use single scriptures in mis applications to try and prove an irrelevant point. Your conflation of free markets and greed is something I would expect from an indoctrinated middle schooler, or this naive Pope, or an MSNBC commentator.
Your conflation of crony capitalism with free markets simply proves this. Your lack of comprehension that someone can operate in the free market driven by the higher instincts, not the lower instincts, speaks volumes about either your economic failure or you are projecting your own lower instincts. Or both .
And again, you have failed in answering a single question. You are not some shaman sitting on a mountain sending down pearls of wisdom. Far from it.
The Founders understood that property rights and free markets were constitutive elements of what it means to be free. They therefore believed that government has a responsibility to protect the rights of all to participate in the economy by upholding contracts, lifting artificial trade barriers, and protecting the right to acquire, possess, and freely use property.
>>It’s really odd that you brought up “name it and claim it”
Not odd at all. Worshiping the “new wine” instead of obeying the one who made it is a symptom of the (false) “Prosperity Gospel”.
http://9marks.org/article/journalprosperity-gospel-and-biblical-theology/
Isa 5:8-11 8
and join field to field till no space is left and you live alone in the land. 9
"Surely the great houses will become desolate, the fine mansions left without occupants. 10 11
NIV
Your most infantile quality...and you have many...is this idea that every time I mention something that I worship it. That’s really too stupid for words. Then you multiply your intellectual and spiritual crime by saying that these things are worshipped above all else, or are instead of worship of God.
You are the legalists legalist...you are a pharisee stuck in the law, the Old Testament. Maybe you should go read that other Covenant.
And again, you haven’t answered my two questions because YOU CANNOT ANSWER THEM.
You are the legalists legalist...you are a pharisee stuck in the law, the Old Testament. Maybe you should go read that other Covenant.
Mark 10:21-22
21
Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."22
At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.
NIV
Again, one verse out of context, and proves nothing. And you are a hypocrite of course...because you haven’t done that.
Evangelical witchcraft on display.
They [the ten commandments] are economically applicable,
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 2
NIV
I’ll type very slowly so you can follow:
The Ten Commandments do address how we as individuals should steward our property. Thus, they are “applicable” to the economy in a micro sense. In fact, off top of my head, I think every single time the Bible mentions wealth or property or gold - it is talking about how we should as individuals steward it.
This does not, however, constitute a system in the Macro sense. In fact, the only way to steward the money and property in a way that’s Biblical is to have a free system, a market system. That’s also the only way our Constitution and Bill of Rights can operate as well.
I’m not sure why you have this huge blind spot, the difference between individual Commandments and a total system, but you surely do.
And again, you’ve not answered a single question, because you CANNOT DO SO.
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