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To: HarleyD

“Strange that they didn’t burn Origen’s (gnosticism) or Pelagius’ (saved by works) writings...”

Who says they didn’t? How many of Pelagius’ major works survive intact? We have some of his letters and statements. Most else is “reconstructed”. See for yourself: http://www.libraryoftheology.com/pelagianismwritings.html

Origen’s books were proscribed and burned multiple times: https://books.google.com/books?id=riEdrWEDFq0C&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=burned+the+works+of+origen&source=bl&ots=jVnoLRVVL4&sig=vTg14nA3bwk-Y_k51A4RM6ghVtc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAzgKahUKEwiIwvy__8nGAhUFIKwKHd5ICMg#v=onepage&q=burned%20the%20works%20of%20origen&f=false

“There are all sorts of church fathers that wrote heresy.”

Origen is usually not counted as a Church Father. His reputation has largely been rehabilitated in the last century, however.

“the allegiance of Christendom was being claimed by two popes.”

No, there was only one. There were two men - and then three - all claiming to be pope. The CE is NOT saying they were both popes only that “the allegiance of Christendom was being claimed by two popes” - meaning two men claiming to be pope. See here for how they put it: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13539a.htm

“With all due respect this is not false.”

Nope. It is false. There was ONE pope. And people at the time knew it. No one believed there was more than one pope. They just disagreed over who was the valid pope. This is why the same CE you just relied on says: “Was the real pope to be found at Avignon or at Rome?”

“However, there was a time when, according to Catholic documents, there were four sets of Catholics all saying the same thing.”

And anyone who can think would know that doesn’t affect the issue in itself. There are a dozen people AT LEAST in the world today claiming to be pope. Only one is - Pope Francis.

And then we see the usual anti-Catholic blunder:

“Perhaps the Vatican should have burned some of their own documents instead of Wycliff.”

Wycliffe wasn’t burned. He died in his bed at his rural parish. His remains - which couldn’t have been much - were burned about 43 years later. The man Wycliffe was never burned.

Also, just so you know, Origen actually deliberately cited Gnostic views and then REFUTED THEM. See the Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture: New Testament, Vol. 4a (Gospel of John 1-10), edited by Joel C. Elowsky, page xix, InterVarsity Press Academic, (2007).

It’s the information age. There’s no reason for ANYONE to be ignorant Western world.


77 posted on 07/07/2015 3:07:56 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998
Who says they didn’t?

The Catholic Encyclopedia which states:

Unfortunately no one knows according to the Catholic Encyclopedia. So much for oral tradition and it's accuracy.

Nope. It is false. There was ONE pope. And people at the time knew it.

One cannot change history.

There are a dozen people AT LEAST in the world today claiming to be pope. Only one is - Pope Francis.

Much to the consternation of many.

79 posted on 07/07/2015 6:28:42 PM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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