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To: fuzzylogic
Also remember, driving is a privilege, not a right.

No, it's a right, not a privilege. The freedom to use the public roads is a right that goes back before the Roman Empire.

"Even the legislature has no power to deny to a citizen the right to travel upon the highway and transport his property in the ordinary course of his business or pleasure, though this right may be regulated in accordance with the public interest and convenience. - Chicago Motor Coach v Chicago, 169 NE 22 ("Regulated" here means traffic safety enforcement, stop lights, signs, etc. NOT a privilege that requires permission i.e.- licensing, mandatory insurance, vehicle registration, etc.)

"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."- Thompson v Smith, 154 SE 579.

"The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the 5th Amendment." - Kent v Dulles, 357 U.S. 116, 125.

"...completely within the protection of the Constitution as the... liberty to go when and where one will." Coppage v. Kansas, 236 U.S. 1, at 14, 23-24 (1915).

"Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to remove from one place to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal liberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through the territory of any State is a right secured by the l4th Amendment and by other provisions of the Constitution." - Schactman v Dulles, 96 App D.C. 287, 293.

This isn’t being done to track you.

This isn’t currently being done to track you, but it is axiomatic that it will lay the groundwork for that purpose as well.

How many of you have a smartphone?? You should be far more worried about that. What does Apple do that you don’t know about?? Don’t get me started with Google.

Skynet isn't going to be a run amok machine or even a collection of them. It's going to be a massive network of interconnected electronic leashes and enforcers doing the will of a ruling elite and in accordance with their whims.

99 posted on 07/05/2015 7:00:19 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

Sometime tyranny arrives not by the force of goose-stepping armies, but by brightly colored chains slowly and incrementally tightening around our lives.

And always we are assured that it is for our health and safety, for fairness, equality, and justice for all.

A while back on another thread, on the subject of self-driving cars, I was assured by another FReeper that the degree of control and surveillance I envisioned “could not happen here”.

Not only CAN it happen, people like that make it easier for our would-be masters to MAKE it happen.


100 posted on 07/05/2015 7:38:36 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Nope, you’re wrong. You have a right to use the roads, as in using a bicycle or walking on the public paths. You don’t have a right, however, to operate a motor vehicle. It requires training and responsibility, the subsequent required license being subject to revocation. That is a privilege, not a right. Unless you’re saying that somebody that is in endless accidents should never have their license revoked (?). Is being required to renew your license, or having one to begin with, unconstitutional? With a vehicle having the potential to be such a deadly device, even in the hands of the incompetent (not necessarily criminal), we require you be trained and maintain a license - which I find perfectly reasonable.

As far as tracking is concerned. The protocols are anonymous and easily turned off/disabled. If made illegal to do so then I don’t see how it could be enforced. I find it strange that you’re using a computer, probably have a smartphone with GPS/4G/etc (with proprietary software), use ATM’s (with camera’s), use a credit card, etc. etc. etc. and THIS is where you draw the line? Something that has the potential to save 40,000 lives A YEAR????

Do you have any idea how connected you already are? If they want to “get you” you’re already making it easy for them. You do have the right, however, to rid yourself of all this technology and go and live in the woods and off the grid.


102 posted on 07/05/2015 11:25:56 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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