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To: DiogenesLamp

Nope, you’re wrong. You have a right to use the roads, as in using a bicycle or walking on the public paths. You don’t have a right, however, to operate a motor vehicle. It requires training and responsibility, the subsequent required license being subject to revocation. That is a privilege, not a right. Unless you’re saying that somebody that is in endless accidents should never have their license revoked (?). Is being required to renew your license, or having one to begin with, unconstitutional? With a vehicle having the potential to be such a deadly device, even in the hands of the incompetent (not necessarily criminal), we require you be trained and maintain a license - which I find perfectly reasonable.

As far as tracking is concerned. The protocols are anonymous and easily turned off/disabled. If made illegal to do so then I don’t see how it could be enforced. I find it strange that you’re using a computer, probably have a smartphone with GPS/4G/etc (with proprietary software), use ATM’s (with camera’s), use a credit card, etc. etc. etc. and THIS is where you draw the line? Something that has the potential to save 40,000 lives A YEAR????

Do you have any idea how connected you already are? If they want to “get you” you’re already making it easy for them. You do have the right, however, to rid yourself of all this technology and go and live in the woods and off the grid.


102 posted on 07/05/2015 11:25:56 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: fuzzylogic
You can lose your rights in punishment of a crime. That doesn't mean you never had them. I'm going to let this point go and focus on the main topic here.

As far as tracking is concerned. The protocols are anonymous and easily turned off/disabled.

It can now in the current formulation. STASI 2.0 fixes those bugs.

If made illegal to do so then I don’t see how it could be enforced.

You're kidding, right? If you are in this business, and you know how this technology works, then what do you suppose will happen when your disabled car drives past a police car with a snooper? It will immediately be noticed because it did not register.

The penalty for disabling necessary "safety" equipment? I expect they'll make it as harsh as necessary. On top of that, they are already talking about using software intellectual property laws to prevent people from messing with their automobiles.

I find it strange that you’re using a computer, probably have a smartphone with GPS/4G/etc (with proprietary software), use ATM’s (with camera’s), use a credit card, etc. etc. etc. and THIS is where you draw the line?

I do not use a smartphone or anything else with GPS/4G/etc. I never use ATM's, and I use Credit cards for specific purchases and at places of my choosing. Ever so often when I am using my credit card, I often tell the clerk that it's time to let the "beast" see me again. The computer is linked wireless over a long haul RF link and could be anywhere in a several hundred square mile area.

I'm not particularly paranoid, but I don't need that crap and so I don't bother with it.

Something that has the potential to save 40,000 lives A YEAR????

Yes, this technology has the potential to save a lot of lives and that is it's upside. The question is, will it's eventual downside cost more?

I note the Nazis proposed their gun laws for "Safety" reasons, and to "save lives." 30 million dead people later...

117 posted on 07/05/2015 7:29:35 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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