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Second World War tank and anti-aircraft gun found hidden in basement of villa in Germany
The Telegraph ^ | 07-03-2015 | Melanie Hall

Posted on 07/03/2015 11:17:02 AM PDT by NRx

German soldiers grappled for nine hours with an unusual task: trying to remove a Second World War tank found in the cellar of a villa.

Almost 20 soldiers struggled to remove the tank from a villa on Thursday in a wealthy suburb of Kiel in northern Germany, after police searching the property discovered the tank, a torpedo, an anti-aircraft gun and other weapons in the cellar on Wednesday.

Police raided the home in the town of Heikendorf under instructions from prosecutors, who suspected that the villa's 78-year-old owner held the weaponry illegally under a law controlling the possession of instruments of war.

The army was called in to try to remove the 1943-vintage Panther tank, and struggled for nine hours to tow it out using two modern recovery tanks designed to haul damaged battle tanks off the field.

The soldiers ended up having to build their own wooden ramp in order to free to tank.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1943; germany; heikendorf; panther; panthertank; worldwareleven; ww2; wwii
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To: NRx
The mayor of Heikendorf, Alexander Orth, who was present at the tank's remove, said the discovery came as no surprise, telling the newspaper that the owner "was chugging around in that thing during the snow catastrophe in 1978".

The bureaucracy can be sluggish, but it never sleeps.

21 posted on 07/03/2015 11:43:05 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: headstamp 2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.8_cm_Flak_18/36/37/41


22 posted on 07/03/2015 11:44:35 AM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: headstamp 2

LOL!


23 posted on 07/03/2015 11:45:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: glorgau

A Panther is perfect for home self-defense.


Yup. If the home invaders use a T-34 or Sherman, you’ve got matters well in hand!


24 posted on 07/03/2015 11:46:37 AM PDT by Bluewater2015 (There are no coincidences)
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To: NRx
But Peter Gramsch, lawyer for the villa’s owner, claimed that the tank and the anti-aircraft gun could no longer fire their weapons and were therefore not breaking any law.

He told the newspaper there was even a note from the responsible district office from 2005 stating that the tank had lost its weapons capability.

Mr Gramsch now wants to take legal action against the seizure and also for compensation for his client.

“I assume that the tank was damaged in the process,“ he said.

So, Eric Holder is doing consulting work for Germany now?

25 posted on 07/03/2015 11:47:16 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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To: EternalVigilance

I don’t see any machine guns sticking out of the ports (turret and front armor), and the owner has a letter saying the main gun is disabled. It sounds like it’s a little less functional than a dozer but way cooler!


26 posted on 07/03/2015 11:47:35 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: headstamp 2; kvanbrunt2; mass55th; NYer

If memory serves, German tanks were designed to run without treads, so they could easily use railroad routes. One of the reasons the initial push against France and Britain went so quickly is, Rommel ran his entire tank force across a high railroad bridge over, hmm, one of the major rivers (considered to be a significant barrier) during the night, reinstalled treads, and merrily rolled on into attack the following morning.


27 posted on 07/03/2015 11:48:43 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: NRx
At least in the United States you can still legally own 200 tanks.

Jaques Littlefield, Portola Valley, CA

He used to allow the public to tour his museum once a month before he fixed. Sadly, his collection was auctioned off last year and I never took the secretive tour.

28 posted on 07/03/2015 11:50:06 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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To: headstamp 2
I hope they don’t scrap any of it.

It's probably worth a fortune. There are only a handful of Panzer Mk V still running and this one is very restorable.

29 posted on 07/03/2015 11:50:37 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: glorgau

Nothing like an 88 to deal with those pesky door-to-door salesmen.


30 posted on 07/03/2015 11:53:45 AM PDT by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: abb

Thanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_tank

75 MM gun on the tank. Tiger had an 88.


31 posted on 07/03/2015 11:54:27 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: Lower Deck

They’re both worth a fortune, and I suspect that’s why they were seized.


32 posted on 07/03/2015 11:56:22 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: SunkenCiv; headstamp 2; kvanbrunt2; mass55th; NYer

Dear Sunken, About “run without tracks” Unfortunately you are mistaken. The Germans didn’t have that feature. They did take some tank turrets and mounted them on specially built rail cars for railroad support fire. Note the front drive sprocket, that powered the tracks. All the road wheels did was to roll along the track. Break the track and all you have is a big pillbox for defense. Think of the immobilized Sherman tank in the current movie “Fury.”


33 posted on 07/03/2015 11:57:54 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NRx
They arrested a guy in Berlin a couple of years ago for trying to sell a restored 40mm Bofors AA gun (with ammo) and a few MG42s (with ammo).

He had apparently dug them out of a former Wehrmacht arms depot with the ammo.

Most German arms depots in the field were simply bulldozed over with earth by the Allies: anything packed in cosmoline is probably still in good condition.

34 posted on 07/03/2015 11:59:20 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: headstamp 2; glorgau

Sorry guy, Oddball traded gold and his Sherman for a PzKfwg Mk VI Tiger tank. Actually it was a vis-mod tiger that was sitting on top of either a Soviet T-34 or a British Cromwell chassis.


35 posted on 07/03/2015 11:59:41 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

“It’s a piece of junk!, fuel leaks all over the place!”


36 posted on 07/03/2015 12:02:09 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: NRx
They arrested a guy in Berlin a couple of years ago for trying to sell a restored 40mm Bofors AA gun (with ammo) and a few MG42s (with ammo).

He had apparently dug them out of a former Wehrmacht arms depot with the ammo.

Most German arms depots in the field were simply bulldozed over with earth by the Allies: anything packed in cosmoline is probably still in good condition.

Ob's stürmt oder schneit, 
Ob die Sonne uns lacht 
Der Tag glühend heiß 
Oder eiskalt die Nacht 
Bestaubt sind die Gesichter 
Doch froh ist unser Sinn 
Ist unser Sinn 
Es braust unser Panzer 
Im Sturmwind dahin

37 posted on 07/03/2015 12:06:51 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: NRx
Mr Orth said the man has a "a certain fondness for particular things", adding: "Some people like steam trains, others like tanks.”

The price of the toys, is all that separates the men from the boys!

38 posted on 07/03/2015 12:13:42 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (BINGO!)
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To: NRx

Stephen Morris, the drummer for Joy Division and New Order, owns a few tracked military vehicles, but I don’t think any are actual tanks. He’s in England, wonder how many bureaucratic hoops he had to jump through.


39 posted on 07/03/2015 12:15:36 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Youtube + Twitter + Facebook = YouTwitFace.com)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks GreyFriar!


40 posted on 07/03/2015 12:24:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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