[libstripper]

Please read the whole article. It turns out there is a good deal of reason to impose at least some accountability on pastor Pinckney for the atrocity because, as a legislator, he opposed concealed carry and, as the church's pastor, had a "gun free" zone policy for the church. Sadly, that makes him a lot like the manager of a business who refuses to install a sprinkler system, the business is attacked by an arsonist, and the manager and eight customers die in the resulting fire because there was no sprinkler system. Indeed, it's hard to find a more horrific example of the horrible injury "gun free" zones do to innocent people than this atrocity, an atrocity that was enabled by one of he very people who was murdered by the subhuman.

[Gaffer]

When I hear this, I think it isn’t from a perspective on the political aspect guns or positions on gun availability or how anyone feels about them. They, guns, will always be available to those who go to the trouble to get them. If guns aren’t available then other substitutes can be had.

It isn’t politics, it isn’t religion, it isn’t race or ethnicity. It is nothing but crazy, demented insanity. That is what it is.

[Lurker]

I’m all for private property rights. The owners should be free to ban guns of they wish. But they should also be held strictly liable for incidents like this.

L

[thorvaldr]

Yes, but it’s not at all hard to find a more horrific example of the carnage caused by “gun free” zones. Virginia Tech, Cinemark in Aurora, Sandy Hook, Columbine... practically all multiple shooting in the US happen in “gun free” zones. How many people would have had a gun in any of these places is debatable, but the point is they were actively discouraged. Basically the government, the church, the movie theater, says to you “don’t take responsibility for for your own defense, trust us and we will protect you” and then they make no effort whatsoever to actually protect you.

[BenLurkin]

bttt

[Sooth2222]

IIRC, South Carolina prohibits CCW in churches but allows it in restaurants that serve alcohol.

(My guess is that logical incoherence is a result of lobbying by clergy. But even if the Reverend encouraged it in his church, state law prohibits it.)

[archy]

Please read the whole article. It turns out there is a good deal of reason to impose at least some accountability on pastor Pinckney for the atrocity because, as a legislator, he opposed concealed carry and, as the church's pastor, had a "gun free" zone policy for the church. Sadly, that makes him a lot like the manager of a business who refuses to install a sprinkler system, the business is attacked by an arsonist, and the manager and eight customers die in the resulting fire because there was no sprinkler system.

From response #20 at FReepppost *here*:

Something is not adding up.

He [the reported shooter] had a .45, with at least seven rounds in the magazine, and reloaded five times, totaling 35 shots, at a probable minimum. There were a total of nine killed, and assuming he finished off half those he might have wounded with a follow-up *certainty shot*, that still would have required only around 15 rounds. Assume that after everyone stopped moving, he shot each of the bodies again to be absolutely sure; that's still only 24-25 rounds total.

What did he do with the other 10 or more rounds available to him, and why did he not continue his killings elsewhere in the church? Was he after one or more specific targets, a person or persons in that particular room with him?

Something is not adding up, and we are not being told what it is.

[JoeProBono]

[Buckeye McFrog]

uhhh....no

I don’t believe that ANY official of the NRA is STUPID enough to blame the dead Pastor for the fact that a drugged-out racist nutjob came into his church and committed mass murder.

[PROCON]

In other news, the NRA blames the Charleston church Pastor for the......KA-BooooooMMMMMM....

[wideawake]

Rather than worry about this, maybe the NRA should do the math.

In Norway, firearm ownership is prohibited unless one can exhibit specific legal requirements for possession.

Norway has a population of 5.1mm.

Anders Breivik murdered 77 people.

The US has a population of 321mm.

The scum in Charleston, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech and Aurora, CO collectively murdered 80 people.

To equal Breivik's level of violence proportionally, they would have to have had 4,822 victims.

Not 80.

The USA is demonstrably safer with our current laws than Norway is with its.

[I want the USA back]

The pastor has no blame. The full blame goes to the bastard who killed people.

[falcon99]

I put this NRS official’s statement in the same category with Rutherford, the black that blamed Fox News — ridiculous. The only person to blame for this is the shooter.

[right way right]

Gun free zones are lures for mass murdering cowards.
The pastor helped create a lure for a demon possessed person.
I would just call it naivety, not really to blame the pastor but as warning to others that satanic forces are on the prowl and it seems to be ramping up more and more in this world were the love of God grows cold as was promised by Jesus Christ (God) himself.
This NRA official is deflecting politically.
He will just be mocked and ridiculed.
There are people in my congregation who CC in church because we are are church that was founded on rejection of political agendas and are realistic about the threat that it will bring in this age.

[G Larry]

No....this is the time for the NRA to STFU.

Save the rebuttals for much later.