Posted on 06/16/2015 2:26:03 PM PDT by Whenifhow
A legal team investigating the Obama administration’s order that certain American military veterans deemed “incompetent” give up their weapons says the problem is worse than expected.
People who live with veterans now are being ordered not to possess a gun, and some veterans are told they can “buy back” their Second Amendment rights by giving up their veterans’ benefits.
“This is simply unbelievable, On the one hand the [Veterans Administration] and the FBI have found veterans to be mentally ill and too dangerous to be allowed to own firearms, while on the other hand allowing these allegedly dangerous people to buy their firearms rights back,” wrote Michael Connelly, executive director of the United States Justice Foundation in a report.
“This is illegal and is called extortion.”
The organization has been looking into claims by a number of veterans and their family members.
The veterans were sent a letter telling them they were being classified as incompetent and the government was assigning someone to help them handle their benefits and payments.
Consequently, they were told, they could no longer own weapons, under penalty of fines and jail time.
The problem was that the veterans were being determined guilty without a hearing regarding the potential loss of their constitutional rights, USJF said at the time.
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“But [they] are being told that if they do defy the government and appeal, their benefit payments can be suspended for the duration of the appeal, which can drag on for years,” the report said.
“The families of veterans are also [being] told that since they live with a veteran who has been declared incompetent they can’t own or purchase firearms.”
Or there’s that option to give up benefits, the report said.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Medical records are being passed from the Department of Health and Human Services to the FBI “of anyone who has ever told their physician they were feeling depressed, even if never treated, and anyone who has taken certain drugs for things like PTSD, ADD, or ADHD, among others.”
More:
Also unanswered was who makes the decision to put in motion the department’s decision to “deem” veterans “mentally incapable.”
Connelly noted the letter “provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA.”
“In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent,” he explained.
“This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall ‘be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.”
Read the letter that got the investigation started:
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I don’t believe this.
See the 1968 GSA, which many here support btw.
Incompetent? Is that on the 4473 form?
Hell, I would believe anything at this point. NOTHING surprises me anymore.
Even if you did this, it wouldn’t stop them from reclassifying you again afterwards.
Don’t know about forms. I had read they were going to try this as a gun control measure.
Sorry, you can’t be “declared incompetent” except by a judge, in a court of law, in very specific circumstances. Some a-hole bureaucrat at the Dept of Veteran Affairs does not have that authority. I’d throw it in the circular file.
I don't. I don't need a permit to buy a book (1st Amendment) so I should not need a permit or anything else to buy a firearm. There is nothing in the 2nd Amendment that says the government gets to approve whether or not I can exercise that right.
Defend this nation in the U.S. Military and lose your Constitutional rights and Veteran’s benefits!! In the future, what patriot would join the U.S. Military?
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They will expand this to other populations that receive “benefits” such as social security and disability.
Makes my blood boil, but this isn’t the only right being stomped on.
Buy back a RIGHT???
It’s paid for in blood, and promised as an inalienable right from God himself through The Constitution and that pesky Bill of Rights!
I don’t want to believe this, but it’s a brave new world.
Read the 2nd page of the letter...
It looks legit.
And not a single Republican Senate or House committee chairman can get interested in holding hearings into it?
Precisely. It's the Cass Sunstein 'nudge - shove - squeeze - shoot' paradigm.
Not the point, the BOR are "Declatory and Restrictive".
Read the preamble.
God Given Rights cannot be legislated away....other wise they really are not rights, are they?
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