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House Rejects Trade Bill, Rebuffing Obama’s Dramatic Appeal
New York Times ^ | June 12, 2015 | Jonathan Weissman

Posted on 06/12/2015 10:52:45 AM PDT by nwrep

House Democrats rebuffed a dramatic personal appeal from President Obama on Friday, torpedoing his ambitious push to expand his trade negotiating power — and, quite likely, his chance to secure a legacy-defining trade accord spanning the Pacific Ocean.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obamatrade; tisa; tpa; tpp; wikileaks
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To: Mollypitcher1

LOL! On the one hand, yes. But we have so many different opinions that I would be afraid EVERYONE would end up on the list. So maybe it is safer to just tag them one by one, issue by issue and vote by vote. Maybe they could wear the permanent label if they achieve X number of turncoat points.


181 posted on 06/12/2015 12:35:56 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: nwrep

Is Ted Cruz crying alongside odumbi?


182 posted on 06/12/2015 12:36:03 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: All

Anyone cheering for Pelosi should recall another Dem named Bart Stupak. Remember how he was going to stop Obamacare? How’d that work out?


183 posted on 06/12/2015 12:36:25 PM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: VRWCarea51

184 posted on 06/12/2015 12:37:54 PM PDT by caww
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To: Lucky9teen
Now please respond to the points made by Sessions:

If, as promoters amazingly suggest, the President had more powers without fast-track, he would veto it. The authority granted in “Trade Promotion Authority” is authority transferred from Congress to the Executive and, ultimately, to international bureaucrats. The entire purpose of fast-track is for Congress to surrender its power to the Executive for six years.

Legislative concessions include: control over the content of legislation, the power to fully consider that legislation on the floor, the power to keep debate open until Senate cloture is invoked, and the constitutional requirement that treaties receive a two-thirds vote. Legislation cannot even be amended.

We are already living in a tyranny of the Executive Branch with Obama usurping powers not given to him under the Constitution, e.g., two executive amnesties, deciding what portions of Obamacare will or will not be implemented, misuse of the EPA and IRS. It needs to be stopped. This is about the Constitution, not some blind allegiance to a political candidate. I don't need Ted Cruz or Duncan Hunter or Jeff Sessions to be my guide on what is right or wrong. I deal with substance and actions, not rhetoric.

185 posted on 06/12/2015 12:38:07 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Yeah that may be the case being all Kabuki.


186 posted on 06/12/2015 12:39:37 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Another way would be a one white feather, two white feather, three white feather and you’re HUNG! Remember George Washington hung deserters, informers, and traitors. WHEN are we going to HOLD the TRAITORS ACCOUNTABLE?


187 posted on 06/12/2015 12:40:28 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: alloysteel


188 posted on 06/12/2015 12:42:40 PM PDT by QT3.14 ("What Washington Needs is Adult Supervision" - Zero, 2007 campaign)
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To: xzins
..."We were just gamed"....


189 posted on 06/12/2015 12:43:22 PM PDT by caww
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To: xzins; Travis McGee; Jim Robinson
We were just gamed.

Nobody outside this forum has figured that out yet. But since TPA passed, the only thing standing in the way of TPP is satisfying the dems on tweaking TAA. They will vote on that right before the holiday and sneak it through before anyone can figure it out. Once the TAA is tweaked, TPP will be implemented. Evil geniuses. Thanks for catching this.

190 posted on 06/12/2015 12:43:38 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

“This is Cruz’s opportunity to correct his thinking, and vote “NO” this time around.”

Cruz has explained his positions in all important areas including, in detail, the TPA trade bill and the secret TPP bill. Regarding the TPP secret bill, he says it should not have been secret but it will be public for 60 days before they vote on it. That info. is at the approximate 55/56 minute point in his speech in New Hampshire on June 1, 2015..

I urge everyone to listen to his very long speech and answering audience questions. You will know exactly where he stands on every important issue. Here is the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sznh5AjageI&feature=youtu.be

Be an informed voter and listen to what Cruz actually says instead of believing whatever someone else says about his position on important issues.


191 posted on 06/12/2015 12:43:48 PM PDT by Marcella (TED CRUZ Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

Troll.


192 posted on 06/12/2015 12:44:31 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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To: P-Marlowe

193 posted on 06/12/2015 12:49:08 PM PDT by caww
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To: sunrise_sunset

Bttt


194 posted on 06/12/2015 12:52:42 PM PDT by Guenevere (If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do........Psalms 11:3)
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To: kabar
Legislative concessions include: control over the content of legislation, the power to fully consider that legislation on the floor, the power to keep debate open until Senate cloture is invoked, and the constitutional requirement that treaties receive a two-thirds vote. Legislation cannot even be amended.

Once upon a time, any congresscritter that would have even considered voting for any such thing would have quickly envisioned their house being burned to the ground, and made the right choice.

This nation is one of 97% procumbent catamites.

195 posted on 06/12/2015 12:53:28 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: nwrep

Well til next week anyway. :-)


196 posted on 06/12/2015 12:53:51 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: QT3.14

“Life’s a Bitch. Don’t Elect One!

Now that deserves some sort of prize.


197 posted on 06/12/2015 12:55:03 PM PDT by Will88
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To: kabar

This is about who will have power in the “NEXT” Presidency. It will take that long for this legislation to go thru the hoops and be implemented. By then there will be a New President.

Democrats are playing on next years board...not now...and why Pelosi and other Democrates voted against this and were more then happy to go against Obama. (Lame duck)


198 posted on 06/12/2015 12:56:24 PM PDT by caww
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To: P-Marlowe
A Ted Cruz "Troll"? On FR? Wel, I never!

Seriously though, around my neck of these here threads what you call "Troll" I consider FRiends.

Check your head.

199 posted on 06/12/2015 12:57:58 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

Anyone who posts the same thing over and over on the same and different threads is trolling. We call those people trolls.


200 posted on 06/12/2015 12:59:49 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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