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Scott Walker Backs Constitutional Amendment Allowing States To Ban Same-Sex Marriage
Huffington Post ^ | June 7, 2015 | Amanda Terkel

Posted on 06/07/2015 2:53:20 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Mariner; Cincinatus' Wife
I think you're mixed up, Mariner. This is Scott Walker aping Ted Cruz, not the other way around:

Ted Cruz submits constitutional amendment to protect marriage
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3283056/posts

Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3282496/posts

21 posted on 06/07/2015 4:35:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: SkyPilot

When this nation was founded not everyone was a Christian. Many came only close enough to say they respected it.

Yes we need to repent and turn to God. That has always been and will always be a need. The greatest need.

No it is not the only thing. God gave us the ability to reason and talk and write.

It is not and never has been an either/or issue. It is BOTH.

There is such a thing as general revelation. Some truths are self-evident and others are nearly that when we use the ability to reason and see the reality that the good Lord placed all around us.

Well meaning as those who say “it is the gospel and only the gospel that will work” they are MIA on their civic responsibilities, imo. These are two different spheres. They run parallel. Yes the political sphere will be better if more people are Christian. But the church itself has been known to have many moral and ethical issues itself and can also digress into its own form of tyranny if not kept in check..., so it is not the whole answer. Never has been. Many nations have made moral choices — doing instinctively what is right even though they do not know Christ. It won’t get them into Heaven, but it does happen. It does matter. And it does make the Gospel more easily received.

So in the eternal sense, choosing good over evil won’t save anyone. But it does matter, and the final judgment all face will be about those deeds. No one can earn salvation yet their deeds can and will still send many to Hell.

Romans 2:13-15New King James Version (NKJV)

13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)

It grieves me greatly when otherwise good theology becomes an obstacle to what is good. There are many important theological points to consider about our ability to do good, etc. But the O.T. is still full of examples of pre-Christian people who sometimes did right and sometimes did wrong. Plucking the gospel out of the context of God’s Lordship over His Creation since even before His redemptive work was finished is to diminish the gospel’s meaning and effectiveness.

I am sure plenty of people will disagree with me and be very capable of spouting lots of theology to prove their point. But no theology changes God’s truths about what is right and what is wrong. Even non-believers are accountable to do what is right. If the ONLY answer is to convert everyone first then why is the Church itself so messed up?

In the purest theological sense, we are incapable of good apart from God. OK. But in the “God created us and placed us here to be stewards of His creation....created in His image with the ability to reason and understand right from wring..” sense, we must always be unashamed champions of what is right and good. Yes we know how things turn out. Things get bad. But we do not know the time or the place so in the meantime.......be on the side of what is good and right. Who knows. Maybe God will in His mercy give us more time.


22 posted on 06/07/2015 4:38:58 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why do politicians even answer social issue questions?


23 posted on 06/07/2015 5:03:18 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage"

That's why I pinged you.

He has acquired a POTUS candidate supporter.

24 posted on 06/07/2015 5:17:19 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: Paulie

Yeah, it’s good to see he got on board with the Constitutional Amendment that Ted Cruz submitted.


25 posted on 06/07/2015 5:17:31 PM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Ted Cruz is the one who submitted that Constitutional Amendment. Glad Walker got on board.


26 posted on 06/07/2015 5:19:05 PM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
bar the Supreme Court from granting marriage equality rights nationwide.

I'm tired of the Jenner talking points: courageous, or torment, the careful use of "she".

That instantly tells me this politician is out of touch with reality and has no business running a nation.

I agree with the constitutional amendment on same sex marriage. If one of the conservative justices were to step down, then the liberals would own the court again. I've no doubt they'd declare the new amendment to be unconstitutional. Don't say they wouldn't, because you know they would try.

The standard, though, is for it to be proposed in House/Senate or by the states. It would then have to be approved by 75% of the states. A mere 13 states could block it. Lots of states would ignore it. There would have to be a revolution on the American political scene for such a thing to pass.

27 posted on 06/07/2015 5:46:12 PM PDT by xzins (Donate to the Freep-a-Thon or lose your ONLY voice. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Walker was great. I’m wonder if liberals (and Linda Graham) will say Walker is a homophobe.


28 posted on 06/07/2015 6:49:40 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Repeal the 14th amendment


29 posted on 06/07/2015 7:16:05 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: conservativejoy

Sure is. From all accounts, it looks like Cruz could go all the way.

Our armed forces deserve a Commander-in-Chief they can respect and trust. And so do we.


30 posted on 06/08/2015 4:24:42 AM PDT by Paulie (America without Christianity is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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By contrast:
Rand Paul: Time for GOP to soften war stance
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
[Posted on 01/31/2013 5:08:50 PM PST by xzins]

31 posted on 06/08/2015 6:07:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: All

meaningless.

The federal government can recognize it, the states that define marriage as ONE man and ONE woman can be FORCED to accept other states/countries definition of marriage via full faith and credit and TREATY.

He is being nuanced for deception.


32 posted on 06/08/2015 11:36:00 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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