Posted on 06/04/2015 5:39:40 AM PDT by Rockitz
ORLANDO, Fla. — The employees who kept the data systems humming in the vast Walt Disney fantasy fief did not suspect trouble when they were suddenly summoned to meetings with their boss.
While families rode the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train and searched for Nemo on clamobiles in the theme parks, these workers monitored computers in industrial buildings nearby, making sure millions of Walt Disney World ticket sales, store purchases and hotel reservations went through without a hitch. Some were performing so well that they thought they had been called in for bonuses.
Instead, about 250 Disney employees were told in late October that they would be laid off. Many of their jobs were transferred to immigrants on temporary visas for highly skilled technical workers, who were brought in by an outsourcing firm based in India. Over the next three months, some Disney employees were required to train their replacements to do the jobs they had lost.
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Disney executives said that the layoffs were part of a reorganization, and that the company opened more positions than it eliminated.
But the layoffs at Disney and at other companies, including the Southern California Edison power utility, are raising new questions about how businesses and outsourcing companies are using the temporary visas, known as H-1B, to place immigrants in technology jobs in the United States. These visas are at the center of a fierce debate in Congress over whether they complement American workers or displace them.
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“The program has created a highly lucrative business model of bringing in cheaper H-1B workers to substitute for Americans,” said Ronil Hira, a professor of public policy at Howard University who studies visa programs and has testified before Congress about H-1B visas.
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That's the other huge hole in our trade and immigration policies- the ability of US corporations to outsource US jobs. It's not clear what can be done about that. Free trade has already screwed the pooch on that count. I think Obama is trying to tax US corporations on overseas profits. That might help repatriate some US jobs. It's truly a race to the bottom.
Nothing really. Companies like Disney outsource their IT functions to U.S. subsidiaries of foreign companies. But if you wanted to ban them then Disney could sign an agreement with HP or IBM and outsource their IT to a U.S. corporation...who will utilize their employees located in India or China. Either way the U.S. employee is going to get the shaft.
As I said in another post, if you want to continue to have a decent job in the US without getting outsourced or replaced by an H-1B applicant, have a DoD security clearance or be able to get one.
This is from the NY Times.
I wouldn’t trust anything they say.
And they quote a professor from ‘Howard University’, a hotbed of liberalism even less trustworthy than the source of this crap.
Keep talking. Save the Republic from Gates et al.
Think there might be a few badly trained replacements at Disney in the near future?
Unintended consequences are a bitch.
This is from a conservative site:
Breitbart believes it: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/03/nyt-laid-off-disney-employes-made-to-train-foreign-replacements/
Yes, company loyalty should be a two way street, however, that seems to have gone out the window long ago. Revenge is a dish best served cold: I knew of a corporate financial manager who was let go just before he turned 60 at which point he would have qualified for the company pension. It was a closely held company, two principals of which he was neither. But he knew where the bodies were buried. He turned them in for the tax reward on about 10 million of diverted revenues. He got his share they got a cell plus a huge tax penalty.
I’m sure there are layoffs at Disney and other places and I’m sure there are H1Bs filling the gaps. But that’s not the issue. The issue is its politicization at this time because it has ALWAYS been an issue in one form of the other over decades.
So this is recycled trash designed to foment a wedge issue for the 2016 elections.
And that’s why I tell the NY Times to go F’themselves.
There are two general avatars of American born workers. One is the hard working, smart, always having a competitive edge to fill a vital function. Another is the slob who is always looking for ‘job security’ and how to screw the system so they can get it easy while sitting in a job that can be done much more economically through other venues.
So there is no ‘right answer’ that is right here. Note that.
What is of concern is the H1B visa holders running out the clock to get a green card. That’s a whole lot of workers from India that become eligible for citizenship. And these people from India are often an asset to America but the problem is there are so many of them. India has close to 2 billion people and 100 million + are educated enough to do the ‘high level monkey work’ that is IT. And we have chain immigration to boot.
IT is VOCATIONAL HIGH LEVEL MONKEY WORK. If you can read and tap at a keyboard you can be an IT Tech in as little as 6 months with vocational training. These are not jobs for Einstein. You don’t need the brain of an Aristotle to do these worker bee jobs. Sure there are those that have valuable IT experience but many have built a lot of job security while demanding $150k salaries. Companies can’t compete carrying that kind of overhead especially in such industries as the airline industry.
As for Disney, the last I checked it cost around $500 + to take a family of 3 to the park for a day. F’em. I could care less if they go under and go bankrupt. They could restructure the mountains of debt they’ve taken on and fire over half of the executive ranks and I could care less what happens to their whining IT workers.
American jobs that are secure and high paying are those that you can’t transmit in bytes and bits. Jobs like plumber, electrician, heavy equipment operator, etc. Those jobs require years of on-the-job training and they are vital and secure in addition to paying well.
And yes Senator Cruz needs a little calibration on H1B but at least he listens and acts. For example, on the Trade Deal it was Senator Sessions that informed him that Obama was planning an end run around immigration and the current preliminary injunction on DAPA and DACA. What did Senator Cruz do when he had the information? He immediately filed an amendment to the trade bill to stop the end run around.
When/If you see Senator Cruz on the campaign trail, talk to him about your concerns on this H1B problem. He will listen and he will act. But just be warned that this issue does not have a clearcut answer or policy solution because some American workers are f’ing useless and work only to make their job obscure and inaccessible like some IT workers. F’em!
I hate unions and IT worker unions are just as bad as others. Look what Reagan did to PACO and look what he did to the automobile industry that was abusive, inefficient and intransigent.
Watch this film to get an accurate idea of what I am talking about:
http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/gungho.htm
And what was the result of Reagan’s policy of allowing the Japanese to expand in America? The result was a big kick in the ass to auto unions and American worker mentality. And what was the result of that kick in the ass? American manufactures and workers shaped up and started out competing the Japanese.
Same dynamic is in play here.
There’s no way that the CCIE’s I know are monkeys tapping at a keyboard. These are really, really smart people.
There’s no way that the CCIE’s I know are monkeys tapping at a keyboard. These are really, really smart people.
Define ‘smart’.
Hyper intelligent, high IQ.
If the people you know have such a high IQ, then they would not be in the position they are in.
Truly smart people would have landed elsewhere already or they would have taken legal action.
There is a problem with the present H1B program but that is NOT the issue here. Because this problem in H1B is an OLD PROBLEM.
So what you’re missing is WHY NOW?
I heard of this Disneyland action last October with the same complaints.
So WHY is it now being rehashed?
The answer for any ‘smart’ conservative who has been watching and listening for years to conservative leaders and communicators is that this is a media campaign designed to poke republican candidates.
EVERY TIME, without fail, the trolls come out of the woodwork to bash Senator Cruz over his support for legal immigration. That’s what this is all about. Look over the thread and you will see an immediate steering of the discussion to Senator Cruz. That’s not a coincidence.
Forums, blogs, online news commentary sections are all targeted by boiler rooms hired to inject talking points into discussions to influence thinking. That’s not conspiracy. That’s fact.
If you think the media is not tightly controlled, then explain this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh_Kx7UKndI
and the same people that control these narratives also deploy trolls into discussions taking place on the internet.
That’s what this is about.
Nubie conservatives need to stop allowing themselves to be PLAYED.
So, you admit they are being maliciously released. Good.
They can't land until they're told, until any agreements they're party to have been satisfied, and until they settle affairs in one area to move to another.
It takes time to move.
Definitely looking in that route, even though I have mine in MIS.
The largest hurdle for this line of employment, even with a clean history, is finding an employer that’s willing to do the clearance process.
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