[who_would_fardels_bear]

I believe that the Europeans have a false confidence that the immigrants will convert over time to secular beliefs. So who cares if the average German starts to look more like a Turk? If they still like to wear liederhosen, can still make decent beer, and can build BMW's then all is well with Germany.

The fact that the Shia and Sunni haven't even made peace between themselves should give them pause. Are the Germans going to make sure that only Shia or only Sunni Muslims immigrate? If they discriminate against one or the other that would be intolerant. If they let both in, then they are asking for civil war.

[Gene Eric]

>> I believe that the Europeans have a false confidence that the immigrants will convert over time to secular beliefs.

Only the effective voting majority is supporting the outcome. No doubt many are not supporting the immigration.

And while significant factions of Europe pretend to be secular, those factions in reality depend heavily on Christianity for their liberties.

[caww]

Those from Muslim Countries and Africa Nations do not assimilate well in Western Nations overall...because most are Islamic. Additionally we've tried for centuries to solve issues of race, skin color and the like...and look where we are today.....

Multiculturalism was never intended by God....He made distinctions for a reason....otherwise a it's man made endeavor to attempt to unite varying cultures...and it will not work as they intend it to.

[Cronos]

I do wish you would say "the Europeans..." treating such diverse cultures and outlooks as one -- they aren't monolithic

Western Europe is quite different from the East and even in Western Europe, Italy is quite different from Belgium etc.

Also, many of (but defienitely not "all") the Turks in Germany are secular or rather apathetic to religion, like the Germans.