[grania]

Of course I know those countries are in NATO. What I’m saying is the US and most European nations aren’t even defending our own borders from invasion. Why would any country assume they’d defend them? I repeat, if a country wants to be safe in the horrible times we live in, they should stop whining and depending on treaties, and defend themselves!

[Old Teufel Hunden]

You just said: "Of course I know those countries are in NATO."

This is what you previously said: "The way to insure that this wouldn't happen is for those countries to stop whining to the US and other NATO countries to protect them, and defend themselves."

By saying those countries (implying the Baltics) stop whining to the U.S. and other NATO countries (as if they are outside of NATO) it is strongly implying that the rest of Europe not in NATO should stop whining to NATO and defend themselves. In other words, implying the Baltics aren't in NATO. If you truly did know that the Baltics were in NATO, then I'm dying to know what you think the point of having NATO is? It is a treaty consisting of countries who will pool their militaries to come to a common defense of one another. If we are not going to defend one another when we are attacked, what is the point of having NATO? Again, I state, if the Baltics are attacked, we are bound by treaty (as is the rest of NATO) to defend them. If you accept that, what are you complaining about?