Posted on 05/19/2015 8:25:25 PM PDT by FreetheSouth!
Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds of the head and trunk.
Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, died of gunshot wounds to the neck.
Richard Vincent Kirshner, Jr., 47, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
Richard Matthew Jordan, III, 31, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, died of gunshot wounds to the head and trunk.
Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
Matthew Mark Smith, 27, died of gunshot wounds to the trunk
Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
And Charles Wayne Russell, 46, died of gunshot wounds to the chest.
Reporting now indicating that all deceased were killed by police gunfire. Reporting now indicating 27 people shot by police, 8 still in hospital. Reporting lowers weapons confiscated to less than 50, mostly pocket knives, chains (attached to wallets?), nail clippers, one padlock and firearms (CCP fired or unfired?).
From the outset the police description of events at the Twin Peaks (Waco) Gang Shooting seemed oddly self-serving, super efficient/fast, and unusually specific for a mass casualty event outlined in under 3 hours. It was *as if* they wanted to get out ahead of something.
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One of the original claims, that was still maintained by officials last night, was the origin of the gang violence beginning in a restroom of the bar/grill and spilling outside.
Additionally, the police originally stated that all gang member gunfire was inside the building, and all the deceased were shot inside the restaurant.
However, a report outlining the 500 page construct of the police affidavit and arrest warrant(s) claims that all events happened outside in the parking lot:
[…] The affidavit goes on to say three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot.
After the two rival groups met in the parking lot a fight broke out, the affidavit says.
“During the course of the altercation, members and associates of the Cossacks and Banditos brandished and used firearms, knives, or other unknown edged weapons, batons, clubs, brass knuckles and other weapons,:” the affidavit says.
The affidavit says the gang members fired at each other and then when police tried to stop the fight, they began firing at officers.
Waco police officers returned fire striking multiple gang members,” the affidavit says (link)
Additionally the police went to great lengths to state the franchise owner/operator of the Twin Peaks restaurant would not cooperate with law enforcement and refused to cancel the event despite the demands of local law enforcement.
However, that too is factually disputed by the owner/operator:
[…] Late Monday afternoon the restaurant’s operators issued another statement in which they said law enforcement officials did not ask the operator or the franchisor to cancel the patio reservation on Sunday.
The event Sunday afternoon was not a Bike Night, the statement said, but instead the result of a “regular patio reservation made by a female customer who has been to the restaurant previously.”
“Based on the information to date, we also believe that the violence began outside in the area of the parking lot, and not inside our restaurant or on our patio, as has been widely reported,” the statement said.
[…] “We are in the process of gathering additional facts, and urge that people avoid rushing to judgment before those facts are fully known,” the [franchise owner] statement said. (link)
It would appear there are several contradictions with the initial -and ongoing- claims by Waco Police Spokesperson Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. Including last night:
[…] Shots were fired inside the restaurant and bikers were shot, stabbed and beaten before the fight quickly moved outside to the parking lot, Swanton said
Just to refresh our memory, here is Swanton’s first Presser again: (this took place at approximately 3:00pm CST Sunday)
In addition, the number of uniformed police who were surrounding the building during the timeframe the bikers arrived at the event has increased from 12+ (original report) to more than 18+. And now includes the police stating the entire uniformed SWAT division, vehicles, squad cars, MRAP, and all SWAT equipment were in the parking lot directly in front of the restaurant.
[…] Eighteen uniformed Waco police officers including an assistant chief, sergeants and one rookie were standing by outside the restaurant Sunday and responded within a matter of seconds after the violence broke out between members of five rival gangs, Swanton said
So when we consider the police visibility -including their assault rifles- and overlay the affidavit claim: “three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot“, you would have to think these are the stupidest gang members, or….. something else.
[…] As the officers responded, the bikers directed gunfire in their direction, police said.
“Our officers took fire and responded appropriately, returning fire,” he said.
There’s bound to be CCTV video at the restaurant/bar, that might help clear up some of the discrepancies if the video is ever made public.
However, it is worth noting the police themselves might have a vested interest in a very specific version of events, and no-one is visible yet to give any eye-witness information which might contradict that version.
It surely does seem odd that gang members would turn guns on heavily armed police who were directly in front of them, in the same parking lot, mere feet away. It also seems exceptionally fortunate that so far not a single stray bullet hit another building, vehicle or structure.
[…] Three of the dead were found in the parking lot just outside of the restaurant, four were found in front of the building and one had been dragged behind a neighboring restaurant. (link)
Yet, …all the gang shooting was inside, right. Right?
“...Reporting lowers weapons confiscated to less than 50, mostly pocket knives, chains (attached to wallets?), nail clippers, one padlock and firearms (CCP fired or unfired?)....”
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Well, it appears that my initial suspicions (based upon the large number of dead and wounded) that this was a “spray and pray” operation carried out by trigger-happy, steroid pumped cops who were apparently frightened by nail clippers, wallet “chains”, a single padlock, pocket knives and possibly some “firearms” which may or may not have been ever unholstered.
I hope the poorly served citizens of Waco and environs have some deep pockets because I suspect that this is not going to end well for the city (financially) and the trigger-happy cops (both financial and career wise).
Too early to tell? Makes sense with this many players.
They already know how many rounds his folks fired and from what. And if any cops dropped people they’ll likely know that too. If you’re the shooter it’s probably hard to forget lining up, shooting and dropping someone at noon time.
That is what I was thinking. The police are trained to shoot center of mass. However, an AR-15 with a green laser would make head shots easy.
This is not criticism nor support of the police nor the Bikers. This will be interesting to see what unfolds.
Rogue cops that kill indiscriminately are a vastly bigger problem than biker gangs.
“A whole lot of head shots.”
Shoulda wore their helmets.
Close to half of those at the CoC meeting were christian motorcycle clubs. Many others were family clubs,blue collar working folks who ride. Some were MC’s. Mc’s aren’t like what you see on TV. But if you older than 12 and are allowed outside by yourself, you ought to know that what you see on TV, including the news, has little to nothing to do with any form of objective “Truth”. But then, why not just kill them all anyway. They’re not real people like you and the other right thinking folks. What the hell are outsiders for if not to use as target practice. The question you should be asking your self is, who are they going to shoot when they get good at it and they’re done “Practicing”?
Context is key. When members of rival criminal organizations are having a donnybrook in a public restaurant, the police are responsible for protecting the innocent and law-abiding members of the community, even at the expense of warring gangsters.
Considering the context, it’s quite a stretch to class these shootings as “indiscriminate.”
Funny stuff.
Try to imagine if this were reversed with the cops in place at a Black Panthers convention or whatever.
Blue eyes = evil
Looks like. Why do I have a feeling Holder is somewhere in all of this even though he has left his position?
ROFL More like the Gunfight at the OK Corral =)
No not yet probably because some of the gangs were white and the Banditos look Hispanic. YET! if they happen to be Moooslims you betcha he would speak out. Also no Sons of Obama were involved so that too can also explained.
A good friend and brother of mine was shot in the face by the cops as they came outside to see what the hell was going on. He was very, very lucky. And as for being scum of the earth, dirty biker trash, he’s a retired oil exec. And a member of a very well known MC. Y’all don’t know anything about our world.
All this smell fishy.
Looks like this restaurant had previous Bike Nights with no problem.
“The event Sunday afternoon was not a Bike Night, the statement said, but instead the result of a “regular patio reservation made by a female customer who has been to the restaurant previously.””
- I pray that I’m wrong but I wonder if she was behind this in bringing in both clubs together in 1 spot or who put her behind this “regular patio reservation”?
When I first heard the news they said the Brawl began in the Men’s restroom and then spread to the outside. If there was a hugh brawl I am surprised to see many motorcycles still standing upright.
I just find it odd that the cops were coincidentally in the neighborhood all swatted up when the “brawl” began.
The Conservative Treehouse is solid.
I had no idea. Thanks.
They had great live twitter feeds of the Travon Martin trial, and excellent commentary, too.
What are the chances that this situation was part of a Jade Helm exercise, except this time with casualties?
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