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Report says ATF should be disbanded
Personal Liberty ^ | May 19, 2015 | John Diedrich

Posted on 05/19/2015 4:08:59 PM PDT by robowombat

MILWAUKEE — The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, charged with enforcing the nation’s gun laws and regulating the firearms industry, has been so hobbled by high-profile operational failures, internal dysfunction and external limits on its authority that the agency should be eliminated and merged into the FBI, a new report concludes.

The report, by the left-leaning Center for American Progress, comes in the wake of a bill by Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) that seeks to dissolve the agency and move its law enforcement and gun industry regulatory functions into the FBI and other agencies.

The bill and the report are the latest in a series of efforts, from both sides of the political spectrum and even by veterans of the ATF, to reform or eliminate the agency. In July, a Government Accountability Office report on the ATF described an agency trying to redefine itself while struggling with high personnel turnover and internal problems.

The think tank’s 180-page report, being released Tuesday, traces the agency from its origins as a tax collection agency to the present, as it again finds itself with no director and beset by problems.

The report’s authors interviewed more than 50 current and former ATF personnel, and retired Supervisory Special Agent Mark D. Jones advised the authors. The report’s argument boils down to this: The vital job of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals is too important to leave to a weakened, embattled agency like the ATF.

“ATF, as it currently exists, suffers from substantial weakness that compromises its ability to effectively combat gun crime and regulate the firearms industry, and a new director or piecemeal changes cannot fully solve these problems,” the report concludes. “It is time to consider a major reboot of how these issues are addressed at the federal level and for an overhaul of the federal law enforcement agencies responsible for doing so.”

The report details several embarrassing episodes, including Operation Fast and Furious, where agents watched as thousands of guns passed into criminals’ hands and wound up at crime scenes in Mexico. It also examined problematic undercover storefront operations, which were the subject of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s “Backfire” investigation.

In the Milwaukee operation, agents lost guns, used a mentally disabled man as a source and arrested some of the wrong people — problems, the Journal Sentinel found, that were repeated across the nation.

Sensenbrenner’s office said the congressman continues to support dissolving the ATF, calling it a “duplicative, scandal-ridden agency that lacks a clear mission.”

ATF officials did not return calls and emails seeking comment.

A statement from the Department of Justice, which oversees the agency, said the department “supports ATF in its current form and believes Congress should fully fund the president’s budget request that will enhance ATF’s ability to carry out their important mission.”

The report’s proposal to fold the ATF into the FBI differs in at least one significant way from Sensenbrenner’s bill.

Sensenbrenner’s proposal would keep the prohibition against the ATF publicly sharing data about how many crime guns are sold by gun dealers. The new report says those limits hinder law enforcement’s ability to enforce gun laws. Gun rights groups have pushed hard to get those limits and keep them in place.

An earlier Journal Sentinel investigation revealed how those and other special rules created by Congress protected corrupt crime gun dealers and allowed them to escape ATF punishment by shifting its ownership.

Gun control and gun rights groups both came out against Sensenbrenner’s proposal last year. The National Rifle Association didn’t have a comment on Sensenbrenner’s bill last year, but the NRA made it clear recently that the group is against dissolving the ATF. Jennifer Baker, an NRA spokeswoman, said the problem with the ATF is not where it is located.

“The Obama administration has only contributed to ATF’s dysfunction by politicizing the agency to advance its gun control agenda,” she said. “No matter where the ATF is located, nothing will change until we get a president who respects the 2nd Amendment.”

Gun control groups and a gun rights group, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, opposed Sensenbrenner’s bill, saying Director B. Todd Jones should have a chance to make changes. Jones, the first confirmed ATF director in seven years, resigned earlier this year and the ATF is back to having an acting director. No one has been nominated to replace Jones.

On Monday, Larry Keane, senior vice president of the foundation, said moving the ATF into the FBI would create problems.

“ATF has regulated the firearms industry for decades,” he said. “It would be very disruptive and costly to our industry to have to begin dealing with a new, unfamiliar regulatory agency.”

Arkadi Gerney, senior vice president at the Center for American Progress, which produced the report, said gun rights groups want to keep a weakened ATF.

“They like someone they can kick around and an FBI director with a 10-year term is not something they want to deal with,” Gerney said.

The new report calls the agency an “accident of history.”

What started as a Civil War-era taxing agency grew into a law enforcement agency that still has regulatory responsibilities. Because of the way the agency grew, it has struggled to define its mission and implement controls on its operations, the report said. In the meantime, the important mission of curtailing the flow of illegal guns is going unfulfilled.

The report recommends making the ATF a branch inside the FBI. It recommends putting gun store inspections in the FBI, noting that the bureau already runs background checks on gun purchases.

The ATF has more than 4,700 employees and a budget of just over $1 billion. The center’s report estimates folding the ATF into the FBI would provide a 10-year savings of $411 million, assuming no layoffs or job elimination.

The new report says the ATF’s morale has fallen. A decade ago, the ATF ranked eighth out of 200 federal workplaces. Last year, it was 279th out of 314, the report found. Jones himself called it “an agency in distress” when he took over.

“These problems and the culture that underlies them have developed over decades,” the report said. “It may be beyond the capability of even an exceptionally qualified director to fix some of them.”

The ATF has been on the chopping block before. It was considered for elimination during President Ronald Reagan’s term, but was saved, in part, because gun rights groups didn’t want its duties moving to another agency.

Under the Clinton administration, a group studying how to cut government waste suggested folding the ATF’s law enforcement activities into existing Justice Department agencies and putting the agency’s regulatory and revenue functions under the Internal Revenue Service. It also suggested folding the Drug Enforcement Administration into the FBI.

The idea of eliminating the ATF was proposed in 1993 by Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) after the siege at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, where four agents and 82 members of the sect died. A year earlier, the agency — along with the FBI and U.S. marshals — was involved with the deadly standoff at Ruby Ridge, Idaho.

A decade later, the ATF moved from the Treasury Department into the Justice Department. Around that time, a group studying federal law enforcement found that the ATF’s missions to collect taxes and regulate private industry “did not contribute to effective enforcement of the nation’s gun and explosives laws.”

“ATF lacks a clear mission and sense of purpose because of the clash of disparate jurisdictional responsibilities,” said the report by the Commission on the Advancement of Federal Law Enforcement. “This small agency has for more than 30 years attempted to reconcile the irreconcilable. … The task of enforcing firearms and explosives laws can best be carried out in the FBI.”

–John Diedrich


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: headsonpikes

Ah, good, an illustration of the concept!

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And it’s really there. Judging from the sign, it looks like they also sell pot, now (because of the green crosses). Not so last time that I shopped there.


21 posted on 05/19/2015 5:16:07 PM PDT by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Dubh_Ghlase

I do want it gone. 90% of it should be.

There needs to be some sort of replacement. If it’s a national sales tax or a flat tax or whatever, it needs to be put in place as the IRS is shut down.

So while I agree with you, the seven day period is a little too short. I do think a plan should be rolled out the first year to replace 25% of the income tax received.

Then expand it nationwide after the kinks are worked out.

Certainly within three years I’d like to see the agents gone.

There may be a need to verify if the sales tax is being collected nationally, or whatever else plan is devised.

This may require an agency, but the IRS as we know it should be DOA certainly by 2020.


22 posted on 05/19/2015 5:16:11 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: robowombat

Disbanded and a stake put through its heart.


23 posted on 05/19/2015 5:19:23 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: robowombat

And the EPA


24 posted on 05/19/2015 5:25:23 PM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: robowombat

if the purpose of eliminating ATF is because it is allegedly too weak or ineffective at gun control, I must respectfully dissent on basic constitutional grounds...
(gun control, no matter how well-intentioned, being an illegitmate governmental activity in the first place in the USA....
‘the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,’ US Constitution)


25 posted on 05/19/2015 5:28:54 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (“When the righteous are in authority, people rejoice; but when a wicked man rules, people groan)
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To: robowombat
They should at least be substantially scaled back.
Only do what it says in their original charter.
No growing or expanding operations into other things.
No writing their own legislation.
ONLY deal with illegal trafficking.
No hassling legal uses, users or vendors.
With that limitation, they could be a branch of FBI.

For all other department also: No writing their own legislation or grabbing for more power.

26 posted on 05/19/2015 5:40:24 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: robowombat

“come on Man....” who will buy all those extra long tables that they tote around with special trailers to show off all those legal firearms that they just confiscated?

Who will educate all the first year “journalist” about the danger of unloaded firearm?

Who will help the media editors on their headlines?

The BATFEMOUSE have had this critical role for many years.


27 posted on 05/19/2015 5:41:22 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (It is not heaven, it is Iowa. Everyone gets a "Corn Check")
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To: loungitude

Perfect!


28 posted on 05/19/2015 5:43:31 PM PDT by twister881
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To: robowombat

The only problem is the phrase “replaced by”.


29 posted on 05/19/2015 5:43:32 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: hadaclueonce
Conservatives are not the majority. If we were the MSM would be blaming Conservatives
night and day, and the Libs would be jumping from buildings.

Blame for what you ask? See "Blame Bush" for reference. LOL

30 posted on 05/19/2015 5:46:04 PM PDT by MaxMax (Call the local GOP and ask how you can support CRUZ for POTUS, Make them talk!)
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To: SatinDoll

I share your sentiment, but I view the federal government as being totally out of control, and it will not give up ANY power. The politicians, judges and enforcers are all on the gravy train, none of ‘em will abide by a federal power shrinkage, and they will use all force necessary to keep the people under control.


31 posted on 05/19/2015 5:53:17 PM PDT by Cboldt
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As an FFL and a gun enthusiast, I can support a weak ATF. I don’t mind that they’re ineffective and disorganized. In fact, I would resist any effort to make them more efficient.


32 posted on 05/19/2015 6:11:46 PM PDT by stranger and pilgrim
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To: robowombat

BATFE was in Waco again this week.


33 posted on 05/19/2015 7:30:29 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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34 posted on 05/19/2015 7:35:00 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: PapaBear3625

They think we would respect the FBI or ‘Homeland Securty more”, and they might be right as its harder to deminoziase an agency that does something that is not so clearly a violation of the Federal Constitution.

But the truth is the FBI has no business existing either, and ‘homeland security’ is a collection agencies only some of which are actually useful and lawful like border patrol and coast guard.

The ATF should be abolished but few if any of its functions should be redistributed to any other agency. Washington has no business ‘regulating’ firearms, or tobacco for that matter. Until then Congress should focus on striping the agency of its funds and sending its agents to go dig holes in the desert where they won’t be steping on anyone’s rights.

Until then we should probably add a few more unpopular functions to their exclusive responsibility list like Obamacare tax collection, and everything else that we don’t want done.


35 posted on 05/19/2015 9:10:49 PM PDT by Monorprise
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