Posted on 05/13/2015 4:28:50 PM PDT by tcrlaf
yep...
he didnt refuse to talk to authorities because he’s “Squeaky Clean”
closer to Squeaky Fromm.... I suspect
If you will, bigdaddy45, in the interest of calm, rational, reasonable discussion -- free of any trace of ad hominem phrases -- permit to quote FReeper Patriot Reily (since August 1998, a stalwart) who wrote:
Read a book called “The Hidden Hitler”. It makes a pretty persuasive case that Hitler (and the core leadership of the SA) was homosexual. There was supposedly a Vienna police file on Hitler in his young “Bohemian artist” days regarding his activity as a male prostitute. The file of course has disappeared. Hitler had Roehm killed and the SA suppressed because it was insistent on being “revolutionary” (too Red as someone earlier said!). Hitler had now had the power he wanted, there was no need for more revolution. Killing Roehm, suppressing the SA had the added benefit of removing those that knew something possibly tawdry about “Der Fuerher”, well that was icing on the cake.
That post came from the May 2015 Free Republic thread titled, "The truth about homosexuality and the Nazi Party".
Locomotive engineer once was a position that required years of apprenticeship as a fireman to qualify for. Those who had a background in rail transportation were preferred hires. My father started by working as a blacksmith's helper in the Southern Railroad shops in Alexandria Va and then went to work as a motorman for the Washington Street Railroad (streetcars) for two years before getting an opening as a fireman with the Pennsylvania RR. He was a fireman for 10-12 years before qualifying as an engineer on both steam and electric. Even then he had to work mostly as a fireman until the eve of WW2 because he lacked seniority sufficient to bid for regular engineer runs.
I know firemen have been eliminated as headend crewmen so I don't know how one moves up to engineer today. By being a mainline trainman I suppose.
AMTRAK is its own universe so I presume they can run affirmative action programs and push whoever they want to the footplate. This guy is a good example of what happens when an unfit and insufficiently experienced person is given far too much responsibility for their slender shoulders to carry. I suspect this fellow was sleeping soundly when his engine left the rails. That is the only thing that comes to mind as he was running far above normal speed levels in that highly congested area. He should have had a head end brakeman in the cab as well. In part having two persons there is to provide greater visibility and situational awareness. Sadly I suspect this person was also nodding off or worse absorbed in his Ipad or video games.
My father as an engineer, waged a decades long struggle against crew members goofing off on his engine. No sleeping, reading, or later, no use of transistor radios was tolerated on his engine. As he often said a railroad is a place you can killed really fast or kill a lot of other people. This wreck is a sad commentary on lack of professionalism and just plain lack of seriousness by Amtrak.
I have no doubt that the Nazi’s had homos. The homos are everywhere. But they HID it, and they rounded up and killed homosexuals. You can throw all the chaff in the air you want, but they were anything but pro-sodomite.
Might have been a bit over his head.
Yes, isn’t that the conclusion regarding the German wings pilot...that he was in the back serving tea, then he was fast tracked to the front seat....shall we say friends in the right places....
I don't know about that, but it has been recently reported that syphilis outbreaks have been ravaging homosexuals in this country. From what I have read a certain strain of the bacteria attacks the brain, causing the infected person to slowly go insane.
It is you who have no clue about the history of Nazism. The German “Stormtroopers”, aka the brown shirts, the S.A., were led by a homosexual cadre.
In the end, Hitler (and Himmler) exterminated them like bugs (see “night of the long knives”), because leader Ernst Rohm was a potential rival to Hitler.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm
“[Röhm’s] chiefs, men of the rank of Gruppenfuehrer or Obergruppenfuehrer, commanding units of several hundred thousand Storm Troopers, were almost without exception homosexuals.”[7] In 1931, the Münchener Post, a Social Democratic newspaper, obtained and published Röhm’s letters to a friend discussing his homosexual affairs.
Röhm with Hitler, August 1933
“Hitler was aware of Röhm’s homosexuality. At this point they were so close that they addressed each other as du (the German familiar form of “you”). No other top Nazi leader enjoyed that privilege, and their close association led to rumors that Hitler himself was homosexual.[7] Röhm was the only Nazi leader who dared to address Hitler by his first name “Adolf” rather than “mein Führer.”[6]
“As Hitler rose to national power with his appointment as Chancellor in 1933, SA members were appointed auxiliary police and marched into local government offices forcing officials to surrender their authority to the Nazis.”
this “just in”
Terrorism
A U.S. law enforcement official told CNN that so far, there is nothing to indicate the incident was an act of terrorism.”
there case close....No German Wings sort of deal here...nope...
I’m going to say this as gently as I can.
My father grew up in Nazi Germany. His entire family was there. My grandfather was in the German army. He was part of the occupying force in France. My father lived under communist rule from the ages of 10-16 after the Russians took over.
Yes, I know a bit about the Nazis.
If you’re trying to make the Nazis into a bunch of limp wristed pansies who celebrated homosexuality... you’re REALLY going to look silly. But of course, I’ve noticed on this thread there’s no fear of looking silly.
“Hitler’s guard squad was filled with homos.”
Yes, the SA was notoriously full of homosexuals, probably due to the influence of its leader, Ernst Rohm. However, the SA, even though it did function as Hitler’s “bodyguards”, was much more than a “guard squad”. They were around before Hitler even joined the party, and they were the street muscle of the NSDAP in their battles with Communists.
Once Hitler became chancellor, he arranged to kill their leaders and disbanded the SA because he didn’t trust Rohm, or the SA who were more loyal to Rohm than to Hitler. So he replaced them with the SS, who were loyal only to him.
It’s kind of a reach to base an argument on those facts that the Nazis in general had a favorable attitude towards the homos. Some did, for certain, but those guys for the most part were purged by Hitler, who ultimately defined the ideology of the party. Some homos who were in Hitler’s graces avoided that fate though, but I think that was the exception rather than the rule.
Now Hitler himself and his weird sexual issues could be a whole other thread...
Maybe he crashed because he sucked at his job.
Terrorism
“A U.S. law enforcement official told CNN that so far, there is nothing to indicate the incident was an act of terrorism.”
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/13/us/amtrak-derailment-possible-causes/
well there it is....
I wasn't thinking of that, just that both crashes occured with the plane and train moving in a dangerous manner that could only have ended in disaster. Either catastrophic mechanical failure, human error, or human intent. We now know the pilot deliberately crashed the plane, and several others in this thread have also made that connection to the Amtrak crash.
Some here have posted information suggesting that the German pilot might have been struggling with homosexual tendencies, even though he had girlfriends, etc.
Citing wikipedia, lol
along that thinking....it was the professional German military, that forced Hitler to get rid of the Brown Shirts, stating they wanted no part of such street scum....words to the effect...
Cut the holier than thou stuff. My Mom grew up in Nazi Germany, too, my grandfather was drafted to fight for the Nazis and served time in a Russian labor camp (and escaped). Many of my uncles died. I am not trying to make Germans out to be pansy homosexuals. But the fact remains that, until Hitler reluctantly signed Rohm’s death warrant (even offering him a suicide alternative), Hitler was extremely sympathetic to their presence.
That is quite possible, or even probable.
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