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1 posted on 05/13/2015 8:08:13 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: Piranha

It is 1) a “secret” treaty that Obama wanted nobody to look at, and 2) all about outsourcing even more jobs to Asia.


2 posted on 05/13/2015 8:10:43 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Piranha

good questions.


3 posted on 05/13/2015 8:10:52 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ( Obammy is a lie, a mooselimb and pond scum.)
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4. Why are the details of the agreement secret?


4 posted on 05/13/2015 8:11:08 AM PDT by clintonh8r (ISIS IS ISlam/Christian lives matter!)
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Interested also BTTT.


5 posted on 05/13/2015 8:13:26 AM PDT by Resettozero
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It opens the doors to a new flood of illegal immigrants...the Chamber of Commerce and the GOPe support this.

It is also rumored that it includes UN style Gun and ammunition control.

7 posted on 05/13/2015 8:14:39 AM PDT by spokeshave
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Democrats are more principled than Republicans — at leas the ones in the Senate now. They have wrong principles but they stick by them. Republicans I hate to think but...seem like they are for sale to the highest bidder. Or they have been blackmailed. Something is very wrong with them.

It is possible that the democrat defection is just drama to trick republicans into speaking out for something that will end up biting them in the behind. Are democrats that sneaky? I think so.

Overall it is crazy to trust Obama on this. Look where his passions lie. It can be nothing but bad. Why the secrecy?


10 posted on 05/13/2015 8:20:35 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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It wasn’t far enough to the left for the democrats.

But republicans showed their true colors by supporting it.
They should have voted 100% against it.

In six months republicans have killed all the momentum that voters displayed during the last election.

Democrats don’t have to work hard to damage republicans in the senate - they just stand back and let the republicans self destruct.


13 posted on 05/13/2015 8:25:24 AM PDT by Iron Munro (We may be paranoid but that doesn't mean they aren't really after us)
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A rapist usually blindfolds his victim.


14 posted on 05/13/2015 8:29:15 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Anytime the GOP vote with Obama it seems they are falling for a “rope a dope” strategy. I remember the original Sequester budget cuts were designed to get Republicans to approve yet another massive spending bill. They now get blamed for those “heartless budget cuts.” This latest debacle will not end well.


16 posted on 05/13/2015 8:41:48 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States. Japan knows Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States and understands the implications of an ineligible President assuming the Office of the President of the United States.

Japan must assume responsibility for defending itself militarily. America, as a constitutional republic, is being transformed. Obama is graciously offering to sell the military equipment Japan needs to defend itself. Since Obama is ineligible, any international agreements signed by Obama are subject to a challenge. If the challenge is successful, the agreement will be voided. Japan could spend billions on military equipment with no support or spare parts.

Japan is between a rock and a hard place. Japan needs the United States military hardware and will have to pay dearly for it. They could get stuck will obsolete equipment without future support if Obama’s ineligibility is exposed and his agreements are voided.


17 posted on 05/13/2015 8:41:53 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (i1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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We don’t really know what’s in it, but everything I’ve heard is bad.

What’s really disconcerting is the Democrats in R jerseys are working harder for Obama on this than the real Democrats.


18 posted on 05/13/2015 8:43:41 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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This is an editorial supporting giving fast track authority to the President...cleverly headlined to suggest the opposite. Written by two prominent DC Republicans

Putting Congress in Charge on Trade

19 posted on 05/13/2015 8:44:47 AM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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At least one Freeper has stated that this treaty will allow almost unlimited H1-B work visas for Asian scientists and engineers who want to work in the USA.

I have only read a summary of the Treaty, so I can't confirm that.

But, like the poster Piranha, my first thought was, “Why would Obama suddenly want an Asian free trade agreement?”

21 posted on 05/13/2015 8:59:07 AM PDT by zeestephen
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1. It outsources jobs to Asia and as part of the deal, it might include amnesty. Unfortunately the rot is so severe that essentially any bill that can be used will be used to push through amnesty.

2. It was a show vote, purely for propaganda. Both factions want a PFTA. The more it screws the middle class, the better. Wait a week or two and a “compromise” will be found.

3. You’re operating from a mistaken premise that there is even one scintilla of difference between the two factions. They both want the same thing: power and control. If they can further open the borders and destroy the existing middle class in the process, then all the better from their perspective.


22 posted on 05/13/2015 9:00:37 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (The ballot is a suggestion box for slaves.)
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The Deenocrats want $$ for they’re votes. Republicans want MORE $$ for theirs.


23 posted on 05/13/2015 9:01:54 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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yes it’s all about money for them think kick backs nothing in D.C. moves unless it’s tide to money or power.


25 posted on 05/13/2015 9:15:50 AM PDT by Vaduz
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1. Why is the Pacific Free Trade Agreement such a high priority for Obama's Second Term?

It's high on the bucket list of George Soros, Warren Buffett, and other key puppetmasters and key financial contributors. Presidential libraries and retirement homes in Maui don't grow on trees, you know.

2. Why did so many Democrats oppose Obama on this bill?

Because most Democrats, elected or otherwise, oppose Obama on this bill. It is anathema to the unions, many of their rank-and-file, and anyone who thinks low wages and income inequality is an issue (which is most of their base). Plus I think they sense this is the moment where Obama's sun is setting and Liz Warren's is rising.

3. Why did so many Republicans support Obama on this bill?

Because most of them have drank the Chamber of Commerce Kool-Aid, or are 100% in their pockets. And most of their base opposes the treaty as well, meaning the GOPe has to make a big public show of strolling up and shoving a middle finger into their faces.


26 posted on 05/13/2015 9:53:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Why did so many Republicans support Obama on this bill?

Perhaps because, from a geostrategic perspective, this trade agreement would bring the covered nations of southeast Asia into closer ties with the American sphere of influence, and away from the would-be hegemon, the increasingly aggressive China.

The Democrats hate this treaty, because organized Labor hates this treaty.

Just some thoughts....

27 posted on 05/13/2015 10:01:01 AM PDT by betty boop (Science deserves all the love we can give it, but that love should not be blind. — NR)
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Important point: the agreement has not failed. The vote was whether to put in on the so-called fast track.


30 posted on 05/13/2015 11:10:10 AM PDT by matt1234
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Republicans support free trade, most democrats oppose it cause their union masters tell them to. This is not a secret, I’m surprised so many people here seem to not be aware of this.


45 posted on 05/14/2015 12:32:55 AM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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