Posted on 05/12/2015 8:50:40 PM PDT by dragnet2
SOURCE: Police officers may TURN THEIR BACKS on Obama at Capitol Memorial service on Friday
Police academies train them improperly and the Unions protect thugs and harass honest officers who won’t hold “the line” in unity with illegal police activity. It’s an honorable profession and you need ethical people. We have passed some unethical laws that have to be changed.
Self examination and reform is painful but necessary in all roles of life at one point or another. Police abuse just became too widespread while it was being called professional standard of operation or accepted practices and nothing was done about the abuse. All that needs to be reviewed and reformed in light of the constitution and American-American ethics. But not by the Feds or leftists... The Federal police are out of control as well. They have named citizens their terrorist enemy.
Yeah. I carry a gun because it's too much work to carry a cop.
What we're actually seeing is the result of several policies and circumstances that are all coming together at once.
FIrst, The vast majority of cops have become not much more than tax collectors for the police/welfare state. For most of us, the only interactions we have with police is when they pull us over for some alleged driving violation . In those situations, because they often use them as the pretext for more revenue generation against a soft, safe target, our perception of police has become more and more averse to having any interaction at all with them. The mantra of "don't talk to police" is not just a good idea, it is excellent advise.
Second, you have the ever-increasing militarization of the police. The proliferation of "SWAT" teams with military hardware helps to reinforce the "us vs. them" perceptions amongst both the police and the citizens. Of course, once you have a swat team with all their fun toys to play with, you have to actually use them or people will question the legitimacy of the need. What the police tend to forget is that if you dress up and equip yourself like an occupying army, people will begin to percieve you as an occupying army, and rightfully so. On a personal note, anyone who invades my home wearing a mask is a target, I don't care what logo they have on their jackets.
Third, and perhaps ultimately, the proliferation of video cameras. It hasn't quite sunk into the powers that be yet, that these things are a double-edged sword. Yes, they are very useful for the police state to keep their supposed subject in line. On the other hand, it is providing those same subjects with the ability to expose the actions of the state to a world-wide audience almost immediately.
Fourth, you have what appears to be an absolute institutional failure of police organizations to police themselves. We often hear about the 1% that makes the rest look bad, but then we see that even in the most obviously egregious circumstances, that the "thin blue line" closes ranks to protect their own despite the massive damage this kind of stuff does to the perceptions of the public.
For years, your average American was fed a steady diet of the propaganda about 'officer friendly'. He's just here to help, and spends the majority of his days rescuing kittens from trees. For some areas, that had the benefit of being largely true, but it has never been true universally, nor for all people. A black man passing through some parts of the country could find himself running afoul of 'officer friendly' just for being who he was, and where he happened to be at the moment.
In times past, each of these interactions were isolated incidents that rarely were brought to the attention of the population at large, who figured, based on their own experiences with these same officers, that the 'miscreant' had done something to bring down the ire of the police upon him. It always came down to essentially the officer's word against a citizen's. Nowdays, we have cameras that are able to record the incident, and show where the fault really lies. This tends to undercut that whole 'officer friendly' meme.
Couple that, with the fact that these kinds of incidents are quckly available to a worldwide audience, and you'll find that the erosion to the meme has reached a point that it is going to be really difficult to sell it to the populace at large again,
Then, you also have current police training methods which (IMO) overly emphasise "officer safety" to the point that in any interaction with the public, the officer in question will often be perceived as being overly jumpy and confrontational for a situation that simply does not warrant it. If you want to experience this really up close and personal yourself, the next time you're pulled over by a cop as politely as you can, inform him that you will be taking full advantage of the 4th and 5th amendments rights guaranteed you under the Constitution, and you'll see how well that plays.
You take all of the above, and throw in the fact that there are folks out there whose entire existance is based on their ability to stir people up and rabble-rouse and you have an interesting mixture that ultimately will not end well.
Then, as the icing on the cake, you have the globalists who hate the idea of local control of anything, who are pushing the idea of nationalizing police forces. These people are truely dangerous. Even more so than professional racists like Sharpton and company.
When it's all rolled together, the ultimate consequences to come from all this has yet to be seen, but I suspect strongly it won't be pretty.
That does it. They all need to be replaced by a Federalized Police Force of Black Panthers. /major sarc
Piss off...
It would disgruntle any gendarmes that an unaccountable government can jump into a situation laced with racial distrust and do the most bizarre things.
The actions themselves... this looks like the devil talking.
There ought to be a greater emphasis on the protective role of private arms than there is today, not that we should expect vigilantes to be patrolling the streets, but something a lot better than leaving it all to the boys in blue who are there in minutes when seconds count. Leave your security to the mercy of the liberal-of-the-month club and you won’t HAVE any security.
LOL! Quoting less than every word is not quoting "out of context." What relevant context do you allege me to have omitted?
then challange my Conservatism and expect dialog?
Your post #59 showed me exactly what I could expect from you: the typical Drug Warrior evasions and bluster.
Distortion - you specifically addressed the alleged successes of the War on Drugs and a way it could allegedly be made more successful.
We met at BobJ’s home in Palos Verdes.
I remember it clearly.
No, I don’t want prisoners released from prison, and they aren’t generally in cells at local police stations.
Your mention of the overcrowding releases was spot on. We know what they resulted in.
The bleeding hearts on the Left and “supposed Right”, result in one thing, MORE CRIME.
We have convicted people on death row, whose victims will never get the justice they deserve. No, the supporters of these incredibly vile sub-humans, have a louder voice than the proponents of the victims.
The courts only hear the supporters of the vile.
I mean what I posted.
Well your recommendation would result in power grabs in local communities across this nation. A strong man would emerge and essentially rule the community. Translation, the criminal element would replace the police.
Have you experienced a number of ride-alongs with police officers? Have you had a family member that was a police officer? Have you ever had a friend that was one? Have you had more than a thirty second conversation with one other than when you were being sited by one?
I love your position and attitude on all of this.
Good job.
Druggies are losers and they can all rot in prison for all I care.
You just left out the Druggie part you pathetic LIBERAL hack.
And just so you know, this little charade you're on is a cause brought
from the left, not Conservatism. So wherever you think you get off challenging
anybody on their Conservatism you can stop right there.
You're coming closer to the ZOT, just for being a Liberal Hack and lying.
There's a book called "how to make friends and influence people" I suggest
you grab a copy because when trying to bring people to your side you don't
Harass, Lie, and Attack them.
Should we imprison every loser? Is that a conservative idea?
You just left out the Druggie part
I was asking a broader question than you had already answered. The reason I asked it is that if you don't think we should imprison every loser, then "druggies" being losers has no apparent relevance to whether they should be imprisoned.
There's a book called "how to make friends and influence people"
Of which your post #59 is an example? ROTFL!
"Same old crap different day. It's your opinion and nothing else matters."
Well...
Whenever those we hire to administer our laws on our behalf refuse to do so...
Not just the way they do NOW, mind....but by actually walking off the job and letting the rest of us alone as well...
We’ll just have to fend for ourselves, I guess.
Watch for streetlights decorated with gangstas.
“Well your recommendation would result in power grabs in local communities across this nation. A strong man would emerge and essentially rule the community. Translation, the criminal element would replace the police.”
Um, the strong-man criminal element right now IS the police. Instead of one man it is a national gang loosely tied by that “blue line”. Organized crime under color of law
At least with open criminals, I can defend myself without being judged for “killing a hero”.
With cops, they do anything they want and are ALWAYS right until you prove them wrong in court (good luck). This is where the corruption stems from.
“Have you experienced a number of ride-alongs with police officers?”
Yes, two during college but it was before the insane police overreaches of recent times.
“Have you had a family member that was a police officer? Have you ever had a friend that was one? Have you had more than a thirty second conversation with one other than when you were being sited by one?”
I have one immediate family member and 4 friends who are NYPD. One friend MPDC and one friend SDPD. Believe me, talking to them and overhearing their conversations does NOT improve my perception of cops AT ALL.
I live in one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the USA, get very dark skin in the summer and frequently stay out late while driving nice cars. Believe me, I have had MUCH more than a “30-second conversation”. If I didn’t have a PBA (get-outta-jail-free) card, I’d probably be in prison by now.
Screw these gangs. They have NEVER helped me in ANY way each time I needed them in 25 years. They’ve caused me nothing but fines and trouble! Screw them!
Try being a little more Andy Taylor and a little less Vic Mackey, and you’ll do all right.
Your spin is meaningless when you’re a proven liar.
You would essentially start a civil war in each community of the United States.
If you think that would result in peace and prosperity, you didn’t learn much from Lebanon, Kosovo, and other places before the military swooped in and cleaned them up.
Do you want the military to have to operate on our city streets? You do realize things would get very sloppy when the military began to operate in our towns right?
They would see both waring parties as the bad guys, not just one.
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