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Was Baltimore looted and burned over policy violations?
dragnet2 ^ | 5/2/2015 | dragnet2

Posted on 05/02/2015 10:40:00 PM PDT by dragnet2

We all saw the videos of the mayhem, arson, looting, vandalism and physical assaults in Baltimore the last few days. Very ugly stuff which will cost hundreds of millions and years of bad PR for Baltimore.

Then very quickly we see criminal charges filed. These people are facing many years in prison. Decades.

But of all the video, I never did see any clear evidence that the cops intentionally tried to harm or kill Freddie Gray.

In fact all I have really heard are references regarding possible policy or safety infractions. Such as not putting a seat belt on Gray and allegations they might not have sought medical attention quickly enough. The cops said they didn't know he was injured enough for medical attention until they reached the jail.

And I've seen no real evidence the driver was driving erratically.

I'm not sure any of these cops are guilty of anything which would rate prison time. Maybe being fired for not following policy or protocol. But decades long prison time?

They came to a decision to charge these cops really quickly. With that many players I would think it should take quite a while to figure out if actual criminal charges should even be filed.

Maybe they have some big evidence we have all yet to see. We'll see what evidence they allegedly have.

I look forward to seeing this evidence. But it better be good since Baltimore was looted and burned over it.


TOPICS: US: Maryland; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: baltimore; blackkk; elijahcummings; maryland; riots
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To: Dqban22

Well said... Alinsky PROVES why a charter like the american constitution is NEEDED to LIMIT the CENTRAL(federal) GIVERMENT..

When the constitution has been ABROGATED... MAYHEM is the price..
YOU KNOW.... LIKE now..


61 posted on 05/03/2015 10:08:36 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

OH YEAH.. baby.. it’s ABROGATED..


62 posted on 05/03/2015 10:09:36 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: dragnet2

A directive to force the police to quit killing and crippling citizens, is a more than just a little policy problem.

Now another transport death is in question. Why did they insist on ignoring policy repeatedly on this transport?


63 posted on 05/03/2015 2:23:29 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12
A directive to force the police to quit killing and crippling citizens, is a more than just a little policy problem. Now another transport death is in question.

You again seem to be suggesting all these terrible violent events, looting, arson and beatings happened in Baltimore over protocol and safety policies.

Failure to follow police policy and protocol while transferring prisoners are somehow causing widespread racial strife, riots and looting in Baltimore? Is this correct?

They've been telling the entire country for a week it's police brutality driven by racism in Baltimore which is causing this. But we find the driver of the van was a black officer.

So how is it possible all this violence, arson, rioting, looting and beatings are directly caused by police racism?

64 posted on 05/03/2015 4:11:13 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I wonder if you do drugs, why can’t you just read my post and understand it, rather than rewriting it into something that you wish it said so that you can have some other discussion?

A directive to force the police to quit killing and crippling citizens, is a more than just a little policy problem.

Now another transport death is in question. Why did they insist on ignoring policy repeatedly on this transport?


65 posted on 05/03/2015 4:54:15 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

There are about 200,000 medical malpractice lawsuits per year. All over policy and protocol issues. Have you seen any riots and violence over this ansell?

I noted you completely evaded the two questions regarding what we actually know occurred in Baltimore.

Here they are again:

Failure to follow police policy and protocol while transferring prisoners somehow caused widespread racial strife, riots and looting in Baltimore?

I thought this was all about racist police brutality?

Then we find the driver of the van was a black officer. So how is it possible all this violence, arson, rioting, looting and beatings are directly caused by police racism?

Why are you evading the questions which allegedly set all this violence and rioting in motion?


66 posted on 05/03/2015 6:55:43 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Why are you pestering about you wanting to start a rambling conversation that I’m not interested in/

I’m not here to chat about the things you want to talk about, evidently you are interested in the sociology of riots or something and something about medical practice, I’m not.

My interest is in the police and their enduring transport issue.

A mere policy violation?

A policy to stop the injuries of people becoming cripples and dead from having their hands cuffed behind them inside of a slick, empty, metal van by cops, and then the cops keep doing it?

When cops earn a reputation for “nickel rides” and then ignore the fix, then there is a problem.

“At least five other people or their families have alleged they were harmed in the back of a police van since 1997, with several winning judgments or settling with police. Three were paralyzed by the ride, according to a recent review by The Baltimore Sun.

In one case, a 43-year-old plumber arrested for public urination was handcuffed and put in a van in good health but emerged a quadriplegic. He told his doctor he was not buckled into his seat and after a sharp turn he was “violently thrown around the back of the vehicle as [police officers] drove in an aggressive fashion,” according to a lawsuit.

The man died two weeks later of pneumonia caused by his paralysis, and his family initially won a $7.4 million award after a jury agreed three officers were negligent. It was reduced to $219,000 by Maryland’s Court of Special Appeals because state law caps such payouts.”

“It is police policy that all arrestees must be buckled in during transport. The policy, updated just nine days before Freddie Gray was injured, states “all passengers, regardless of age and location, shall be restrained by seat belts or other authorized restraining devices.””


67 posted on 05/03/2015 7:11:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12
I’m not here to chat about the things you want to talk about.

five other people or their families have alleged they were harmed in the back of a police van since 1997

Such a dramatic death/injury toll in just 18 years.

And you apparently believe all the violent rioting, beatings, looting and destruction in Baltimore were over unsafe van rides and safety policy violations. Not police brutality and racist cops.

Since you refuse to answer a couple legitimate questions, I can only assume this is your position and opinion.

You're entitled to your opinion ansell.

Take care.

68 posted on 05/03/2015 8:39:45 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Quit the trolling and totally making up posts and claims for people and being overall goofy.


69 posted on 05/03/2015 8:49:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Lets cut to the chase ansel12.

In your opinion was it racist police brutality which caused these brutal attacks on the innocent, looting, arson resulting in 200 destroyed businesses in Baltimore?

This is a yes or no question Ms. ansell.


70 posted on 05/04/2015 9:51:36 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Why are you pestering me with you wanting to start a rambling conversation that I’m not interested in?

I’m not here to chat about the things you want to talk about, evidently you are interested in the sociology of riots or something and something about medical practice, I’m not.

My interest is in the police and their enduring transport issue.

A mere policy violation?

A policy to stop the injuries of people becoming cripples and dead from having their hands cuffed behind them inside of a slick, empty, metal van by cops, and then the cops keep doing it?

When cops earn a reputation for “nickel rides” and then ignore the fix, then there is a problem.

“At least five other people or their families have alleged they were harmed in the back of a police van since 1997, with several winning judgments or settling with police. Three were paralyzed by the ride, according to a recent review by The Baltimore Sun.

In one case, a 43-year-old plumber arrested for public urination was handcuffed and put in a van in good health but emerged a quadriplegic. He told his doctor he was not buckled into his seat and after a sharp turn he was “violently thrown around the back of the vehicle as [police officers] drove in an aggressive fashion,” according to a lawsuit.

The man died two weeks later of pneumonia caused by his paralysis, and his family initially won a $7.4 million award after a jury agreed three officers were negligent. It was reduced to $219,000 by Maryland’s Court of Special Appeals because state law caps such payouts.”

“It is police policy that all arrestees must be buckled in during transport. The policy, updated just nine days before Freddie Gray was injured, states “all passengers, regardless of age and location, shall be restrained by seat belts or other authorized restraining devices.””


71 posted on 05/04/2015 10:59:51 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12
In your opinion was it racist police brutality which caused these brutal attacks on the innocent, looting, arson resulting in 200 destroyed businesses in Baltimore?

I’m not here to chat about the things you want to talk about.

I could have sworn the title of this thread was questioning why Baltimore was looted and burned.

I've had the unfortunate experience of dealing with many evasive and deceptive people Ms. ansel. You probably rank in the top 200 of the easiest to spot.

72 posted on 05/04/2015 11:14:59 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

LOL, you really are an obsessive troll.

Try to get a grip on your sanity.


73 posted on 05/04/2015 12:03:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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