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The Other Man In The Van With Freddie Gray Breaks His Silence
CBS Balitimore ^ | 4/30/15 | staff

Posted on 04/30/2015 10:27:55 PM PDT by Nachum

BALTIMORE (WJZ ) — From the beginning, the investigation into what killed Freddie Gray has centered on what happened inside the police transport van.

We knew there was another prisoner inside the van and tonight we hear from him.

WJZ‘s Mike Schuh is the first to speak with Donta Allen about what he heard.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimore.cbslocal.com ...


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KEYWORDS: breaks; freddie; gray; silence
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To: Nachum

Why is no one (apparently) talking about the fact he wasn’t secured in the seat as I’m sure is required. That’s the big glaring elephant in the room... By not following procedure they provided the conditions that had this result. And the big remaining question is if he wasn’t secured on purpose, did they purposely accelerate hard and slam on the brakes to “soften him up” on they way to the police station/jail? Without being secured and your hands being handcuffed there would be no way to hold on. You’d get slammed around while the driver gets a good laugh.

Might suspicious.


61 posted on 05/01/2015 1:38:00 AM PDT by DB
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To: TigersEye

Sit back and examine the facts. This is a guy who was getting a disability related check for lead-paint exposure....so he had some health-related issues to start with. Nothing is clear about what the issues were. Second, arrested eighteen times....most for drugs. What kind of drugs? Third, on this occasion, he’s in a drug-infested area and thought to be buying drugs....and may have ingested some drugs prior to the cops grabbing him. Any possibility that he was on PCP?

Every single day....around the US....probably two thousand Americans find themselves detained by some city cops and placed in such a van. And this is the one and only guy who dies in the back of a cop van from neck injuries? There’s some other piece to this story that has yet to be told.


62 posted on 05/01/2015 2:08:14 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: chris37

I think the reporter should have said a “Bolt Head” instead of bolt.

The impression of the bolt head on this man’s head indicates the contact with the van’s rear door.


63 posted on 05/01/2015 2:48:57 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: DB
The rule that prisoners had to be belted in the van was in effect for about a week when this happened. The incognito friend of one of the officers said that the reason they will not belt an irate prisoner in is they are afraid of being bitten when they reach across to fasten the belt.

On another note, the "severed spinal cord" quote is from the family attorney - not the ME. The news media kept repeating what the family attorney said.

64 posted on 05/01/2015 3:00:36 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: MaxMax; TigersEye
. There sure shouldn't be any exposed bolts projecting out far enough to injure anyone and if there was there is liability in that.

Problem enough?

I don't see a problem. Explain in detail....

65 posted on 05/01/2015 3:02:49 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a deatha panel.)
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To: TigersEye; MaxMax

“MaxMax” is one them “I know everything and challenging my opinion means we gotta fight” Texans.


66 posted on 05/01/2015 3:05:25 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a deatha panel.)
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To: easternsky

“So he is changing his Story?? shucking and jiving is what I hear.”

They have his statement. I’m sure he is fearing for his life in the hood.


67 posted on 05/01/2015 3:08:24 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: chris37

That’s what I’m getting from the article too.


68 posted on 05/01/2015 3:11:24 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: MaxMax

“Good grief, it’s a metal transport van, not a padded cell!!!”

Prison cells and furniture are all metal and bolted down. Anything that is not metal will be destroyed. These aren’t people your grandmother would invite to tea with her good china.


69 posted on 05/01/2015 3:25:59 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Usagi_yo

Dividers can be installed. The vans are typically used to pick up multiple prisoners and they don’t need prisoners to kill each other or collaborate and overpower officers.


70 posted on 05/01/2015 3:42:40 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Abby4116

Thank you for the information.


71 posted on 05/01/2015 3:43:15 AM PDT by DB
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To: caww

Where are the shoulder belts, and if they have not been taken out how is this vehicle legal?


72 posted on 05/01/2015 3:53:33 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: TigersEye
If you intended to make a point from that pic it has gone right over my head. One thing I wonder about is the claim out now that he hit his head on a bolt that caused his lethal injury. There sure shouldn't be any exposed bolts projecting out far enough to injure anyone and if there was there is liability in that.

The bolt wasn't the cause of the death - breaking his neck was. The impression of the bolt head (probably a rounded/slotted head sticking out 1/8" or so) gave them the clue of the impact that caused the neck to break.

73 posted on 05/01/2015 4:01:02 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: MrEdd
...how is this vehicle legal?

You've said something that makes sense. The PD must have initiated the seat belt rule for a reason, since nobody anticipates problems anymore. Even with seatbelts, a jolt could cause an injury in that vehicle. The other thing is that the police were clearly dragging him to the vehicle. Should they have waited for an ambulance?

It just might be that the vehicle, in which one could easily be injured or injure oneself and the lack of attention to medical and psychological issues, is a real problem.

The perpetually angry community would save a lot more lives dealing with issues like that.

74 posted on 05/01/2015 4:05:04 AM PDT by grania
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To: TigersEye

was someone else in there with him


75 posted on 05/01/2015 4:08:33 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I still don’t get if Freddie was alone and they were separated or if they were together.

How badly can this scenario be presented.

Was anyone WITH Freddie?


76 posted on 05/01/2015 4:09:44 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: SMARTY; MinuteGal

“Was anyone WITH Freddie?”

No.


77 posted on 05/01/2015 4:40:19 AM PDT by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: flaglady47

Then how does someone WITH a broken spine thrash about on their own?

I fractured my left arm and it hurt to blink


78 posted on 05/01/2015 4:55:32 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: caww

If it was rough then the other prisoner would have injuries as well....
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Not if he was belted in properly. A belt makes a huge difference for injury and survival in accidents. Gray could well have had an unstable C-spine fracture before he was placed in the van (see the video). Take a corner too fast, and an unbelted prisoner who can’t use his hands because they’re cuffed, and can’t brace with his legs because there is already nerve damage, slides off the bench and the fracture completes.


79 posted on 05/01/2015 5:20:41 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: TigersEye

Maybe he ain’t so dumb ...


80 posted on 05/01/2015 5:25:54 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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