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Automakers Say You Don’t Really Own Your Car
Electronic Frontier Foundation ^ | 4/3/15 | Kit Walsh

Posted on 04/22/2015 4:37:11 PM PDT by Enlightened1

EFF is fighting for vehicle owners’ rights to inspect the code that runs their vehicles and to repair and modify their vehicles, or have a mechanic of their choice do the work. At the moment, the anti-circumvention prohibition in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act arguably restricts vehicle inspection, repair, and modification. If EFF is successful then vehicle owners will be free to inspect and tinker, as long as they don’t run afoul of other regulations, such as those governing vehicle emissions, safety, or copyright law.

Most of the automakers operating in the US filed opposition comments through trade associations, along with a couple of other vehicle manufacturers. They warn that owners with the freedom to inspect and modify code will be capable of violating a wide range of laws and harming themselves and others. They say you shouldn’t be allowed to repair your own car because you might not do it right. They say you shouldn’t be allowed to modify the code in your car because you might defraud a used car purchaser by changing the mileage. They say no one should be allowed to even look at the code without the manufacturer’s permission because letting the public learn how cars work could help malicious hackers, “third-party software developers” (the horror!), and competitors.

John Deere even argued that letting people modify car computer systems will result in them pirating music through the on-board entertainment system, which would be one of the more convoluted ways to copy media (and the exemption process doesn’t authorize copyright infringement, anyway).

(Excerpt) Read more at eff.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: car; carrepair; eff; own; propertyrights; repair; vehicleownership
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To: Banjoguy

What you “own” is the deed, which allows you to sell the house.


61 posted on 04/22/2015 6:57:49 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SaveFerris

Here you go. A buddy has done this with good results.

http://mymediaexperience.com/raspberry-pi-xbmc-with-raspbmc/

I can confirm that RaspBMC on the earlier versions of the Raspberry Pi isn’t great, not enough processor there.


62 posted on 04/22/2015 7:29:57 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Gen.Blather

car batteries have gone up a ton. I had to get one today coincidentally. It was 120 bucks. I remember the last battery I purchased was around 59 dollars....ok so it was a number of years ago but still. I was taken aback some.


63 posted on 04/22/2015 7:50:58 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Walker for President 2016. The only candidate with actual real RESULTS!!!!! The rest...talkers!)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

You got your order wrong, its houses, kids then cars. We haven’t owned our kids since the Cuban kid was forcefully removed from his house. Think about it. “For the kids/children” mantra has been the downfall for a number of years. The idea that CPS can come into your house and remove your children on an anonymous unverified tip means you only rent your children. The way public ejumacation is today means that those in the public ejumucation system knows what is better for your child’s ejumucation than you do. even Hitlary has admitted to such recently. Our kids were not ours long before our cars were not ours.


64 posted on 04/22/2015 8:10:32 PM PDT by zaxtres
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To: Gen.Blather

This will give you access to everything on your VW.

http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/


65 posted on 04/22/2015 8:38:32 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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66 posted on 04/22/2015 8:40:50 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: ExSoldier

[[that the next iteration of the Patriot Act will encourage.]]

that the next iteration of the Patriot Act will REQUIRE.


67 posted on 04/22/2015 9:21:34 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Gen.Blather

Pull the bulb.


68 posted on 04/22/2015 11:23:45 PM PDT by ebshumidors
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To: FreedomPoster

Thanks


69 posted on 04/22/2015 11:57:15 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: wally_bert
A lot of Triumph TR6s. My aunt still has one and some guy is supposedly working on it getting it roadworthy. I remember it sitting a lot as a kid and my uncle hating it while working on it.

The TR6 has 5 cylinders compared to the 4 for the MGA or MGB, and has a lot more torque as well. Today, TR6s are very popular with British car enthusiasts, and restored models can go for big bucks (if you can even find a very good one).


70 posted on 04/23/2015 2:23:29 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: wally_bert
The TR6 has 5 cylinders

Duh! It has SIX. I corrected that and it didn't take. Sorry.

71 posted on 04/23/2015 2:24:47 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: lacrew
Camel’s nose under the tent. The first step in ‘wrenching’ on a car these days usually involves checking the OBD-II codes. Wanna bet whether or not the next generation of diagnostic data is encrypted....after all, reading the codes might help me ‘figure out’ the car’s software.

Agree - that is coming as well.

72 posted on 04/23/2015 2:25:40 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“How much does it cost for a standard? “

I have no idea. But I drove one and to go from zero to forty light-after-light would work you to death. That’s why I got the automatic. Six gears is a lot and you need them. For in town driving a standard is, for me, out of the question. Also foot space is very limited. When I had to wear a boot for medical reasons I couldn’t drive the car as there wasn’t enough room.


73 posted on 04/23/2015 2:26:49 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: GraceG
[ Just so everyone understands: 60% to as much as 80% of dealership revenues are generated from service and parts.

That's why they call them "STEALERSHIPS."

Go onto https://www.rockauto.com/

You can get almost any part, including MOPAR parts.

Compare those prices to the prices the dealer charges you for say an EGR valve, and it will 2 to 4 times what they put on your bill, and they are getting the parts even cheaper than the most expensive part listed on the site!!!

Not to mention their "labor." They will lie to people like blinking. I watched a guy re-plug in EVAP canister once, and they the service manager told the poor woman they spent 4 hours doing this and that, charging her hundreds in labor.

You know what? God is watching.

74 posted on 04/23/2015 2:30:26 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Enlightened1

Slowly things are going to be about CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.


75 posted on 04/23/2015 3:18:04 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: ebshumidors

“Pull the bulb.”

It’s not a bulb. It’s a little computer screen that also displays other information. I had a car once where the solution ended up being electrical tape.


76 posted on 04/23/2015 3:45:06 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: zaxtres

You’re right now that you mention all of that.

It’s why Homeschooling has become the new “law breaking” when it comes to educating children. Since Christians and Moral Parents won’t allow their children to be indoctrinated by the Totalitarian State, it becomes a reason to take them via CPS.


77 posted on 04/23/2015 4:30:54 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Banjoguy
The taxing bodies have a perpetual lien on your house and land.

They also have a 'perpetual lien' on your salary, if you have a job and earn enough to have to pay taxes. Likewise for any other property and assets which are taxable.
78 posted on 04/23/2015 5:50:30 AM PDT by adorno (a)
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To: Enlightened1

Ford Motor is fighting AUTEL , a company that makes OBD2 code readers , a perfectly valid and legal device , their argument is that AUTEL copied a parts list referenced by Fords own readers... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/01/ford-tries-shut-down-third-party-repair-tool-copyright https://www.eff.org/files/2015/01/05/ford_v_autel_complaint.pdf


79 posted on 04/23/2015 5:58:58 AM PDT by Neidermeyer ("Our courts should not be collection agencies for crooks." — John Waihee, Governor of Hawaii, 1986-)
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To: lacrew

“Wanna bet whether or not the next generation of diagnostic data is encrypted....after all, reading the codes might help me ‘figure out’ the car’s software.”

Then don’t buy a car like that. You have every right to exercise your freedom as a consumer to reject a product you don’t like. You don’t have the right to “hack” copyrighted software.

Funny, I never heard many FReepers standing up to defend hacking, software piracy, etc. I guess if you guys want to do it to the computers onboard your cars, then you suddenly discover a convenient exception to your principles.


80 posted on 04/23/2015 6:18:36 AM PDT by Boogieman
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