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Once all of the older style water heaters are sold-out, you won't be able to get one.
1 posted on 04/14/2015 2:44:39 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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Plumbing contractors with water heaters that comply with existing standards are working around the clock to install them for residential and small commercial customers with existing units that are more than 10-years old.

Building contractors should be aware that NAECA-compliant water heaters are larger and heavier than traditional units. The space traditionally allotted to these products may have to change. Some of the new products will also require changes in venting, power, and condensate removal, which will also have to be factored into the design of water heater space. And finally, some added features or new technologies, such as heat pumps, will introduce noise levels that did not have to be considered in the past when selecting product placement.

In sum, those who wish to replace existing units with currently compliant new units must act swiftly. For those looking to future installations, significant planning could be required.


2 posted on 04/14/2015 2:44:57 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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It doesn't do you any good to have savings in the long run if you can't afford to put the unit in. The ongoing cost of living has become absolutely astronomical. Doctor & dentist bills, food, taxes, driving infractions, etc. It's nuts.
4 posted on 04/14/2015 2:50:35 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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I just looked at ours - installed Oct 1999.
Guess should look into buying new one?


5 posted on 04/14/2015 2:51:28 PM PDT by rainee (Her)
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For later.


7 posted on 04/14/2015 2:52:14 PM PDT by lysie
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You can still, if electric one, replace the heating element by simply unscrewing the old one out (after draining the water of course) and putting a new one in.

Then, to be even more efficient this all this horse hockety epa mandated BS-— put a damn digital timer switch on it to cut it on and off prior to peak or usual usage.

If using gas— get an on demand gas heater, with a storage tack for quick. Back up either one of these systems with simple do it yourself solar panels, and you’ll cut your water heating down by more than 50%.

This is one annoying govt. isn’t it?


8 posted on 04/14/2015 2:52:46 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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This does NOT apply to smaller units like a 40gal under the house kind. It applies to larger models.

Oh, and the oh so techie dysfunctional HEAT pump on the unit— yeah that will save power. What a laugh.


9 posted on 04/14/2015 2:54:15 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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Thank you Congress! You gravy sucking pigs!

There will be a judgment day. I don’t want to hear you bitching about the tar is hot and the feathers itch.


13 posted on 04/14/2015 2:55:51 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (It is not heaven, it is Iowa. Everyone gets a "Corn Check")
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That won’t take long. When we moved in to this house 40 years ago we had a water heater that we did not replace for 30 years and we have replaced it twice since. They aren’t making this stuff to last.


15 posted on 04/14/2015 2:57:11 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th ( Don't live like a king for a little bit, live like a prince forever)
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When the hell did Angie’s List get to be the expert on anything? I saw her on a news piece last night spouting off about something that had absolutely nothing to do with anything associated with her ‘business.’


20 posted on 04/14/2015 3:05:23 PM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (Liars use facts when the truth doesn't suit their purposes.)
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This is for residential and commercial water heaters 55 gals. and up. Not lowboys under a house. So this is a lot of them.

A true annoyance of dubious value, forced on installers by our epa— which was NEVER supposed to be an AGENCY of the federal govt. Now dictating our water supply, streams and how we heat our water for our homes.

Look at your usage years for what you have, and replace if needed. or wash/flush it out and replace the heating element. No way of knowing if the tank, if metal has rusted out otherwise. Have never understood why there is not a microwave electric water heater with insulated super glass tank. No, we have to have some genius cook up the idea of a heat pump installed on the unit... that is, an airconditioner that sits on top of a hot water tank.

Only govt. could come up with that.


23 posted on 04/14/2015 3:07:32 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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I’ll just wait for the L.E.D. ones to come out.


24 posted on 04/14/2015 3:07:53 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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You never save any money with these high efficiency appliances. The first time it breaks all the money you “saved” gos to repair it. I can tell you that from fixing appliances and heating systems.


25 posted on 04/14/2015 3:07:59 PM PDT by BBell
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Here's the salient points:

Heat pump water heaters need a lot of warm air to work. Several hundred cubic feet in fact, a lot more space than is in a closet or a small basement room. In addition to the height, this is another reason you might not be able to install one of the new water heaters where your current water heater lives. Oh, and whatever room you do end up putting it in is going to be as cold as a freezer.

“Many installations that were once a one-person job may now require two people,” Sanborn added. “As water heaters get larger and heavier, they prove to be too awkward to handle by one person. This is especially true when talking about those models over 55 gallons. Service trucks may also need to change to accommodate transporting the taller, wider and heavier equipment.”

Price of installation is going up, in other words. After all, it's only the peasant's money, isn't it?

While all affected models will see an increase in the EF requirement, the most dramatic changes are in larger capacity models. That’s because the only technologies that now meet the EF requirements over 55 gallons are electric heat pump water heaters and high-efficiency condensing gas water heaters.

The best legislation that money can buy.

Somebody made a killing in the stock market, after the CONgresscritters that wrote the bill made a killing in the stock market...

28 posted on 04/14/2015 3:09:03 PM PDT by kiryandil (Egging the battleship USS Sarah Palin from their little Progressive rowboats...)
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This is the Angie Hicks who pulled out of Indiana because of its “anti-gay” religious freedom bill? THAT Angie Hicks? Woman wouldn’t have an agenda would she?


29 posted on 04/14/2015 3:09:08 PM PDT by EDINVA
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it’s going to double or triple the price of a new water heater - electric or gas - if it’s over 55 gallons.

Most residential water heaters around here are 50 gallons and they're still on the shelves as usual.

34 posted on 04/14/2015 3:10:32 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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Last October I bought a tankless water heater and had a friend install it.

Takes up a LOT less space, and I never run out of hot water.

It saves energy because it doesn’t have to try and keep dozens of gallons of water hot when nobody is using it.

As cool as it is, I’d hate it if I was forced to install it against my wishes.


35 posted on 04/14/2015 3:11:35 PM PDT by Washi
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When we got a new high tech Gas Furnace it came with a on demand water heater. One minor issue is that you have to run the faucet for a minute or two before you get hot water. Just a FYI.
43 posted on 04/14/2015 3:15:48 PM PDT by McGruff (Maybe my comments are too nuanced for some.)
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Just another squeeze on the middle class the liberal elites endlessly claim to be fighting for.


48 posted on 04/14/2015 3:23:14 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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First it was light bulbs, now Uncle Sam wants your water heater to be more efficient - and it could cost you a lot more money to comply with the new rules.

It already did for me! Had to replace the water heater in a condo last month... The only ones available WOULD NOT FIT INTO THE SPACE! Wound up having to install a water heater half the size and 110vac rather than 220vac! The only alternative was to tear out a wall and install a larger door!

55 posted on 04/14/2015 3:39:51 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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First it was light bulbs, now Uncle Sam wants your water heater to be more efficient - and it could cost you a lot more money to comply with the new rules.

It already did for me! Had to replace the water heater in a condo last month... The only ones available WOULD NOT FIT INTO THE SPACE! Wound up having to install a water heater half the size and 110vac rather than 220vac! The only alternative was to tear out a wall and install a larger door!

56 posted on 04/14/2015 3:39:52 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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