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Aboard Flights, Conflicts Over Seat Assignments and Religion
NYT ^ | 4/9/15 | Michael Paulson

Posted on 04/09/2015 8:49:26 AM PDT by Oliviaforever

Francesca Hogi, 40, had settled into her aisle seat for the flight from New York to London when the man assigned to the adjoining window seat arrived and refused to sit down. He said his religion prevented him from sitting beside a woman who was not his wife. Irritated but eager to get underway, she eventually agreed to move.

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To: Oliviaforever
Well, if the guy doesn't want to be seated with non-relative females, he should be made to pay for the adjourning seats.
41 posted on 04/09/2015 9:37:45 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: strider44

I probably don’t need to think about how to react beforehand. Years ago my infant in a car seat was seated many rows away. I asked to move and the flight attendant said, “no, not until after we’re in the air.” I said, “fine, I’ll stay here. You can babysit her for the flight.” Talk about stressed out mom...go ahead, offer an out. LOL.


42 posted on 04/09/2015 9:38:23 AM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: Oliviaforever; All

A couple of points ....for the ultra orthodox of ANY religion it is best if you go Amish then you won’t have to worry yourself about your ‘sensibilities’.

The NYT didn’t bother to track the demanding muslims because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

Some folks need to get a thicker skin


43 posted on 04/09/2015 9:40:29 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Georgia Girl 2

GOOD ONE


44 posted on 04/09/2015 9:41:19 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Oliviaforever

She should have moved as soon as she was offered a Seat in First Class.


45 posted on 04/09/2015 9:43:51 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Advertising Space Available here.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“I’d move. No problem. To First Class with a voucher for 2 more free tickets. If they don’t comply - they can KMA”

Yep, every time I’ve been asked to move to an inferior seat, that’s been my exact response, well, I didn’t ACTUALLY verbalize the KMA part. Funny thing is though, these SOBs are always so fricking cheap they never acceded to my proposed trade, so yeah, F-em. Quite frankly, I thought I was being quite reasonable.

And on the other side of the equation, whenever I requested to move because some 400 pound behemoth next door slopped half way into MY seat, I was always denied a transfer.


46 posted on 04/09/2015 9:44:03 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Oliviaforever

Flight free since Sept. 2002.

Have not missed it at all, and I now enjoy driving everywhere—on my schedule, with as much luggage as I can fit, and with as much shampoo as I want.


47 posted on 04/09/2015 9:49:28 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Oliviaforever

why move? it is his problem, not the lady’s....I would not/not have moved, unless it was forward to the first class section...


48 posted on 04/09/2015 9:50:35 AM PDT by B212
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To: dfwgator

OMFG! FIX THE GRAMMAR!


49 posted on 04/09/2015 9:55:02 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: B212

Through him off the plane and holler “Remember 9-11”.
Preferably at altitude 2,500+.


50 posted on 04/09/2015 9:58:51 AM PDT by GOYAKLA
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To: livius

“Huh? It actually is a problem. I had some friends from a Baptist church who made a trip to the Holy Land on El Al. On the way back, an Orthodox man found he had been seated next to a woman, who was one of the members of the group, and he pitched a fit, completely humiliating her and demanding that she move.”

Back in the late 80’s early 90s, my national guard unit deployed four times to Korea to support exercises. We always flew charter on Tower Air. One of the stewardesses told me that they really liked flying the military. They often flew charters to the Holy Land and she described having to deal with some very orthodox jews whose religion prevented them from speaking to any woman not a relative. She recounted asking one what he wanted for dinner and causing a firestorm. Said you had to ask their wives.


51 posted on 04/09/2015 10:11:43 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: DugwayDuke

couldn’t they politely ask her to switch seats with a man?

or she could tell them “I’m a man on the inside”


52 posted on 04/09/2015 10:13:03 AM PDT by GeronL (CLEARLY CRUZ 2016)
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To: GeronL

What if he sat next to Bruce Jenner?


53 posted on 04/09/2015 10:13:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Oliviaforever

I believe the religion in this story is Jewish -
Hasidic or Ultra/Orthodox Jews. Not muslim.

The Orthodox Jews do have a rule about not
touching women in case she is “unclean”
-ahem - monthly. I don’t know much else.

If a non-Jew flies to (especially!) Israel
I think you have to be aware of this tradition
and not be surprised by the request.

That said, having grown up in NY and being
very familiar with the people of New Square and Kiryas Joel,
I would have no objections to the airline moving
the offended party.


54 posted on 04/09/2015 10:17:09 AM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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To: Responsibility2nd
I’d move. No problem.

Me too... put me next to a nice pretty gal instead of some fat, hairy old man. In fact, perhaps I should start demanding that.

55 posted on 04/09/2015 10:19:54 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Oliviaforever

True story: I once saw Sheila Jackson-Lee ask someone who was sitting in her row to move so she could have the whole row to herself ... and I guarantee you she didn’t do it for religious reasons.


56 posted on 04/09/2015 10:24:01 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Oliviaforever

Why did she have to move? Why wasn’t he the one to get a different seat?


57 posted on 04/09/2015 10:33:08 AM PDT by jocon307 (Tell it like it is.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
RE :”She should have said let him stand up.”

Not allowed on flights for obvious reasons.

58 posted on 04/09/2015 10:34:08 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: GOYAKLA

He was a Jew NOT s Muslim.


59 posted on 04/09/2015 10:34:34 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: sickoflibs

What if he asked her to bake a cake or cater pizza for a gay wedding and she refused? Just what would the NY Times say then?


60 posted on 04/09/2015 10:35:03 AM PDT by laconic
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