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1 posted on 04/04/2015 11:38:36 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

The problem with going third party is all the spineless “conservative” cowards who are too afraid to try, so they fallback on the Sisyphean “we have to reform the GOP from the inside!”

Ain’t gonna happen, folks.

If all the millions of so-called conservatives out there who *say* they’re mad at the GOP actually left and formed a third party, and joined with the other millions of conservatives and liberty lovers who have *already left* the GOP, you’d have something right there that would have a good shot at ending the GOP and replacing it.

But “we can’t do that, because third parties never win!”

Self-fulfilling prophecies are always the worst ones.


2 posted on 04/04/2015 11:43:48 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to repeal and replace the GOP)
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To: Bratch
That's life, that's what people say
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June

...

...

That's life, that's life
And I can't deny it
Many times I thought of cuttin' out but my heart won't buy it
But if there's nothing shakin' come here this July
I'm gonna roll myself up in a big ball and die ...

3 posted on 04/04/2015 11:45:47 AM PDT by x
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To: 14themunny; 21stCenturion; 300magnum; A Strict Constructionist; abigail2; AdvisorB; Aggie Mama; ...
I'm not completely sure if this is correct for a Federalist/Anti-Federalist ping, but it's one of most thought provoking articles posted on FR in a long while.

It's about entropy, the climate for conservative change and whether that change is reasonably possible at all.

4 posted on 04/04/2015 11:49:20 AM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Bratch

Yeah what was the point to fight the war of America’s first Revolution against the world’s greatest super power at the time in the 1700s, the British, yeah, it’s a lost cause, we could not beat the British. Sarcasm


6 posted on 04/04/2015 12:35:22 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The Keystone Pipe like Project : build it already Congress)
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To: Bratch

I think the error with this essay is a lack of historical context. And that can be uncomfortable viewing, but the end result is hopeful.

To start with, conservatives today are not like Goldwater conservatives, because the world is a very different place today than it was then. Nobody but radical leftists (well, maybe Putin) is upset that the Soviet Union collapsed.

The radical leftists in the US back then were *so* far left that they supported Soviet gulags, and wanted a US even more brutal, like Red Khmer Cambodia. They were hardcore fanatics like Angela Davis. The worst that can be said of today’s leftists, with a few exceptions, is that they are more like Mensheviks. Weakling socialists with profoundly naive and stupid ideas.

The Democrats have become little more than the part of sin, from the seven deadly sins to petty nuisance sin. That is their campaign platform, with no deep thought behind it.

Conversely, Republicans are now divided into the various flavors of conservatism, which overlap considerably, and the Whig-style Republicans, the current leadership, who have power but no will or spine.

With continued erosion, there really is no future for the Whigs. One way or another, they and their cronies have no future in the Republican party, because though they have deep pockets, their only platform is to stop conservatives from ascending to power, just to protect their cronies.

If Jeb Bush is elected, the truth is that he will carry the day with fewer than 10,000 wealthy contributors. Literally nobody other than they wants what he wants. There is no joy or hope in that. “Jeb will fill a much needed gap” is hardly a winning campaign slogan.

Yet the time of the Whigs is running out. With each election, at all levels, their numbers are decreasing. This last election, the Empire struck back, but it is losing the war. And the fewer there are, the more concentrated the efforts of conservatives are against them.


7 posted on 04/04/2015 12:37:26 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Bratch

Sisyphus... indeed...


8 posted on 04/04/2015 1:12:40 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Bratch
In Book III of Machiavelli's Discourses on Livy, he devotes a chapter to how the Roman Republic renewed itself when necessary and lasted some 450 years.

The confederal American Republic ended in 1913, after only 125 years. It is way past time to trash the subsequent democratic republic and return to our structural beginnings.

We can do the same as the Romans. Article V to repeal the 17A and reclaim the federal republic. There is no substitute.

9 posted on 04/04/2015 1:40:12 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Bratch

Dismal prediction I don’t agree with, although it does contain a lot of useful information.


10 posted on 04/04/2015 2:01:41 PM PDT by ZULU (Je Suis Charlie. . GET IT OBAMA, OR DON'T YOU??)
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To: Bratch

Of course we can win. But people like this make it more difficult.


14 posted on 04/04/2015 9:52:48 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Bratch
It isn't actually entropy that we're opposing; this is not a case of order maintained or chaos attained, although a good number of people on the Left appear to believe so. This is a struggle against a deliberately imposed, totalitarian order that once imposed will have its own problems with entropy, with what Marx called "internal contradictions" - this is, after all, what happened to the Soviet Union.

In the meantime a lot of people suffer and die for the pipe dream of the few, who never learn that their closed, cramped, stifling society does not work, but instead learn well how to deflect the blame for it. The liberty of free men and women is far more chaotic, far more creative, and the order conservatives are defending represents the conditions under which it may best flourish. The purpose of government is to protect the rights of individual citizens, not impose order upon them.

Utopians don't think this way. For them it is the individual citizen who must bend, must be re-formed to fit an artificial blueprint. This is not Sisyphus rolling a rock because it makes him alive, it is an infinite number of Sisyphuses chained to that rock forever, equally futile but not allowed to live any other way. The free Sisyphus suffers for his own dream, the slave, for someone else's.

29 posted on 04/05/2015 12:36:37 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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