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To: Suz in AZ

I am encouraged by your spunk...

What you would be doing in such a case is demonstrating that you don’t “sustain” your bishop...

This would also indicate that his judgement is being called into question as well as that of the Stake Presidency...who called him, and on up the chain to the 1st Presidency.

They are, afterall, “called by god” for such a position...this could almost be construed by them as heresy...cause for excommunication.


113 posted on 04/02/2015 5:19:30 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

“I am encouraged by your spunk...”

Lol. Thank you, that is the nicest thing I’ve heard all day :)

I think you misunderstand that it really is a real vote. But what has happened is that tradition has made people just go along with whatever is presented. The bishop will probably pull that person aside to discuss their concerns. Bishop has final say and that’s where people get into trouble. The ones that don’t accept that authority, whether right or wrong, can end up fighting their way into disciplinary action.

Had this conversation with a stake president regarding a certain bishop who. Sustaining a leader doesn’t mean you have to agree with them. But it means that you will support them and help them. People are human. Nothing is ever going to be perfect.


137 posted on 04/02/2015 6:37:00 PM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: SZonian
What you would be doing in such a case is demonstrating that you don’t “sustain” your bishop...

 



 
"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the 'prophets, seers, and revelators' of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostacy..."
(Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)
 
 
 
Reinforced here......
 

MP3 File

This is the audio clip of Dallin H. Oaks, current Mormon Apostle leader, from the PBS documentary, "The Mormons", declaring unequivocally:

"IT'S WRONG TO CRITICIZE LEADERS OF THE (MORMON) CHURCH, EVEN IF THE CRITICISM IS TRUE."
 

 
Don't criticize?

 
 
 
 
And here:
 

Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?
 
 
 
 


Oh, they can say that their leaders were NOT speaking for GOD when they said    WHATEVER    but that's NOT the same as criticizing!


 
( Remember fellow Christians:  the Mormon's criticize US because they've been taught that they CAN'T criticize ANY of their leaders; so they HAVE to vent somehow! )



199 posted on 04/03/2015 4:41:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SZonian
They are, afterall, “called by god” for such a position...this could almost be construed by them as heresy...cause for excommunication.

wrong.
237 posted on 04/03/2015 10:08:43 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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