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Ex-teacher to face 4 separate trials [rape, sexual abuse, Bountiful Utah]
KSL.com ^ | March 30, 2015 | McKenzie Romero

Posted on 03/30/2015 3:27:17 PM PDT by Colofornian

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To: Talisker
16-17 year old guys are not "kids."

I've posted this before, but I think it bears repeating.

When my dad was 17 he was a B-29 tailgunner over North Korea. That's hardly a "kid."

If the guys were 9 or 10, the teacher should be put away for life. But, to say this attractive woman "forced" 16 - 17 year-old males into having sex with her is hilarious.

61 posted on 03/30/2015 5:51:57 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Could be. They’re “mongoloids,” not meaning anything insulting, but simply that American Indians, some Russians and most Asians have facial features referred to as “mongoloid.”

So she could easily be at least part Apache.


62 posted on 03/30/2015 5:59:55 PM PDT by livius
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To: Skooz

The problem is that the boys may be “of legal age,” but the teacher violated a position of trust. I had a friend who had been placed in foster care (because his mother had died and his father was a paranoid schizophrenic who tried to drown him in the toilet bowl) who was very handsome and reached his full adult height and maturity fairly early.

He was “seduced” by a foster mother when he was about 14, and then at the next place he was sent after the caseworker found out about it (but of course, did not report it), another foster mother did exactly the same.

He was a wonderful guy but totally gay when I knew him as an adult. He told me he couldn’t stand women because of that first contact where somebody he had trusted had taken advantage of his situation.

These boys are not having girlfriends and normal lives. They’re having to perform like sex toys for some depraved older, messed-up woman who can’t find any adult men.


63 posted on 03/30/2015 6:07:19 PM PDT by livius
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To: rjsimmon

Not guilty.


64 posted on 03/30/2015 6:14:50 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

She looks like someone from the movies but I can’t recall the name. Anyone?


65 posted on 03/30/2015 6:23:31 PM PDT by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one.... what's your plan?)
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To: Talisker

they are minors

and having an authority figure like a boss or teacher doing it is even worse


66 posted on 03/30/2015 6:24:36 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: terycarl

Are you saying you are in favor of sexual contact between teenagers and adults, particularly those involved in a student-teacher relationship?

Think about this question very carefully before you answer (if you possess the intestinal fortitude to give a truthful answer).


67 posted on 03/30/2015 6:28:21 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Very strange. It disgusts me when I see all these (probably elderly) men here cheering on this woman, who probably destroyed these kids’ lives. They’re certainly never going to have a normal relationship with a woman again, and many of them end up hating women.

Violating a position of trust is a horrible, horrible thing, and the ones who do this are the people for whom it would better to have a millstone tied around their necks and be thrown into the sea.


68 posted on 03/30/2015 6:54:38 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

The double standard is sickening; this rapist should never see the light of day again. If the genders were reversed she wouldn’t...


69 posted on 03/30/2015 7:01:23 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: GeronL
they are minors

In what State? Because the range is from 13 to 18, and you said "execution." So a 17 year old in an 18 year old State - hang 'em. But a 13 year old in a 13 year old State - have a nice day.

I'll bet you believe 18, 19 & 20 year olds in the military should be arrested for drinking beer before they're 21, too.

This is why juries are allowed to nullify the law itself.

70 posted on 03/30/2015 7:16:17 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: livius
They’re having to perform like sex toys for some depraved older, messed-up woman who can’t find any adult men.

I *strongly* dispute those last six words...

71 posted on 03/30/2015 7:46:40 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Talisker
In which state is a 13 year old an adult? What does the death penalty have to do with it? I'll bet you believe 18, 19 & 20 year olds in the military should be arrested for drinking beer before they're 21, too.

If they are breaking the law, yes.

Do you believe in a nation of laws or do you think we should just make it up and apply it differently depending on whims?

72 posted on 03/30/2015 8:10:04 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
any adult having sexual contact with kids should be executed

16-17 year old people are young men and women...in many parts of the world they lead families....years ago, in this country they were considered no longer children.

I more than understand your concern, but I have worked with young men 13-18 for many years in the juvenile justice system and I can ASSURE you that the older ones are not children by any figment of anyones imagination.

I further understand that rules concerning such actions in a school environment should have zero tolerance and in that respect she is, of course guilty. However, charge her with the correct offense, not seduction....she seduced noone but is guilty of violating her responsibilities as a teacher and state employee.....PERIOD.

73 posted on 03/30/2015 8:50:03 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: GeronL
In which state is a 13 year old an adult? What does the death penalty have to do with it? I'll bet you believe 18, 19 & 20 year olds in the military should be arrested for drinking beer before they're 21, too. If they are breaking the law, yes. In which state is a 13 year old an adult? What does the death penalty have to do with it? I'll bet you believe 18, 19 & 20 year olds in the military should be arrested for drinking beer before they're 21, too. If they are breaking the law, yes.

Do you believe in a nation of laws or do you think we should just make it up and apply it differently depending on whims?

One of our laws is called jury nullification, for when the law is an ass. Like arresting a soldier for having a beer, even though it's "against the law." A jury can simply look at the charge and toss it out because it's absurd. That's the law.

Also, look up age of consent. South Carolina gets down to 14, I think that's the lowest in the US - I thought it was 13. Other countries get down to 12. These are ages based on physical maturity and go back thousands of years. In any event, you were the one who said violation of these laws should result in "execution."

And don't even get me started on jurisdiction limitations.

74 posted on 03/30/2015 8:53:07 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

I said an adult having sex with a minor should be a death penalty offense. Only a moron would think I meant it for 2 minors.

The law either applies to everyone or nobody.


75 posted on 03/30/2015 9:01:25 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: terycarl

Okay, so parents should be able to boot out their 16 year olds so they can get jobs and support themselves.


76 posted on 03/30/2015 9:01:57 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL
I said an adult having sex with a minor should be a death penalty offense. Only a moron would think I meant it for 2 minors. The law either applies to everyone or nobody.

Only a moron would think I was talking about two minors.

The law applies to whom it says it applies - that's the law about the law.

77 posted on 03/30/2015 9:28:29 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Those would be different. However, that is not what happened in this case. This case seems subjectively to bend the rules of symmetry a bit.


78 posted on 03/30/2015 9:52:55 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: livius

Very strange. It disgusts me when I see all these (probably elderly) men here cheering on this woman, who probably destroyed these kids’ lives.


What’s stranger is that I’ve debated Christianity with some of them.


79 posted on 03/31/2015 4:42:36 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: GeronL; Talisker

I said an adult having sex with a minor should be a death penalty offense. Only a moron would think I meant it for 2 minors.


“Legalists” are ever eager to justify their own sin.


80 posted on 03/31/2015 4:45:33 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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