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Germanwings pilot was locked out of cockpit before crash in France
New York Times ^ | 25 March | Nikola Clark

Posted on 03/25/2015 5:11:16 PM PDT by varialectio

PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in.

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To: Will88

Well if we didn’t know before now we know that reinforced doors do have a negative side. Instead of arming the pilots and leaving the door alone they went the expensive route.

Of course arming both pilots could lead to a shootout, so the real solution is no more muzzie pilots outside of the middle east.


81 posted on 03/25/2015 5:42:56 PM PDT by wita
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To: RockyTx
JFK to JFKjr

Oh my!

82 posted on 03/25/2015 5:43:31 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: varialectio

Botched hijack attempt?


83 posted on 03/25/2015 5:43:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: randita
But calls, texts, or videos could have been sent from the plane and made it through to recipients. A lot of information via phone could have been transmitted in 8 mins.

There were reports that all passenger communications from that airplane ceased about 10 minutes before they crashed. If that was an intentional act - and not a heart attack of the copilot - then it would have been trivial for the copilot to flip a few switches and disable all these modern conveniences (onboard wi-fi, cellular repeaters, etc.) The pilots can control nearly every function of the airplane from the cockpit, that's why there are so many switches there. (Some equipment can be reached through access panels from the cabin, and it also has switches - but those are secondary.)

If the onboard repeaters were turned off then the passengers had hardly any hope to reach ground towers from the height of 30,000 feet, flying over the sea initially, and then over the mountains. The cell sites there are probably rare, and they are built to serve small communities. Most towers do not radiate upward, into space; they are optimized to service customers on the ground.

Still I'm unsure why would a Muslim terrorist do it this way. He'd be interested in letting his victims call everyone and tell that they are about to die. That's what terror is about - it's not about pretending to be a hardware problem or a navigational mistake.

If for these reasons this incident does not look like a terrorist act, then the next best guess is that the copilot simply decided to commit a very quick and painless suicide. In favor of that theory: the descent was smooth enough, so that nobody would notice; and the communications were shut off, so that people on the ground would not be traumatized. Not exactly the most believable scenario... but there are enough crazies out there, and you never know what happens in people's heads.

84 posted on 03/25/2015 5:44:12 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Deo volente

Probably not.


85 posted on 03/25/2015 5:44:18 PM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: varialectio

So thinking this out, a German budget airline probably hires pilots at less than market rates, initially.

As long as they have a well paid experienced pilot on the flight deck, the other can be a ‘bargain’.

So they skimp on background checks.

Then a rogue simply needs an opportunity to be alone on the flightdeck.


86 posted on 03/25/2015 5:46:12 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: barmag25
I thought I read somewhere that they were briefly at cruising altitude.

I find the whole thing very strange. Hopefully we'll know more when they analyze the recorders.

87 posted on 03/25/2015 5:46:14 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: RockyTx

Ouch !! that was perfect.

Well played..


88 posted on 03/25/2015 5:46:34 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: george76

right but if the voice recorder captures knocking on the door then it could hear some muslim praying out loud as he rams a plane into a mountain. no report of this. also — why didnt he turn around and attack a city. while it sounds like terrorism some pieces don’t add up.


89 posted on 03/25/2015 5:46:36 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Will88

Well, I know nothing about this stuff, but my phone syncs automatically to face book, so that photo would be there even if the phone itself was destroyed.


90 posted on 03/25/2015 5:46:41 PM PDT by jocon307 (Tell it like it is.)
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To: Prince of Space

“Plus we’ve been assured this wasn’t terrorism.”

Just like 10 minutes after the November 2001 crash in NYC, only years later we were told otherwise.


91 posted on 03/25/2015 5:49:56 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: BenLurkin; All

Assuming there are the frequent health checks required of pilots for this airline that we have here, what is the statistical probability of the remaining pilot having a heart attack at the very moment the other pilot leaves the cockpit?

Theoretically possible perhaps, but not likely.

The fact that the names/ages/nationality/religion of the pilots have not been released really bothers me. It suggests that there might be a need to keep information from the public that could damage the “bottom line”.

I read a report, but unconfirmed, that some other pilots from this airline were refusing to fly yesterday. Could be emotional upset -grief, I suppose, if they knew the pilots and flight attendants involved. But it could be something else.


92 posted on 03/25/2015 5:50:38 PM PDT by jacquej ("You cannot have a conservative government with a liberal culture." (Mark Steyn))
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To: jacquej

Refusing to fly because they had concluded (as had I before this news came out) that the crash was caused by the airbus flight computers.


93 posted on 03/25/2015 5:51:59 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: colorado tanker

Have there been any news reports that mention the pilots names?

I haven’t seen any. It’s been almost 2 days.

When the Malaysian planes met disaster it seemed their names were put up within hours and everything about them within a day or 2.

Curious and curiouser.


94 posted on 03/25/2015 5:52:07 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (Enter something.)
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To: varialectio

Weirder & Weirder.


95 posted on 03/25/2015 5:55:06 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: Deo volente

If he was Muslim, there’s a good chance we’ll never hear about it.


Yup—they will cover it up. Nothing to see here, move on.


96 posted on 03/25/2015 5:55:50 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Greysard

Maybe we’re seeing a new paradigm of terrorism.


97 posted on 03/25/2015 5:55:56 PM PDT by randita (Obama entrusted the transformation of the best healthcare system in the world to a scam artist.)
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To: Sacajaweau
One report said 3000 feet per minute. I think that would be noticeable.
98 posted on 03/25/2015 5:56:51 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Greysard

Yep, plus the onboard phone system attached to the seat backs should have available. Looking more and more like an intentional crash, IMO.


99 posted on 03/25/2015 5:59:49 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: COUNTrecount
CNN reporting it, now B. Hussein will find out about this.

Nobody's madder than Obama! Whoa boy, them terrorists are shaking in their camelskin boots now.

100 posted on 03/25/2015 6:00:01 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (GO BUCKY GO!)
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