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Obama’s Nuclear Deal Could Mean War
Time ^ | March 12, 2015 | by Gabriel Scheinmann

Posted on 03/12/2015 1:41:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Inking this accord increases the chances that Israel and the United States take military action against Iran to stop its nuclear program

The Obama Administration may be on the verge of completing a deal that leaves Iran with a substantial nuclear capability, but about a year away from a bomb’s worth of fissile material. By not insisting on the dismantlement of any major nuclear infrastructure, or even on the complete cessation of enrichment activities, the White House is betting that not only is Iran likely to heed the deal, but also that the United States would have enough time to act appropriately and decisively if it does not. Believing it has headed-off the seemingly unavoidable march towards war with Iran, the White House is crowing about its impending diplomatic feat.

Unfortunately, rather than obviating the likelihood of war, this deal encourages it. For different reasons, inking this accord increases the chances that both Israel and the United States take military action against Iran to stop its nuclear pursuits. As former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger aptly concluded in recent Congressional testimony, the goal of the nuclear talks has evolved “from preventing proliferation to managing it.” In doing so, the Administration has sown the seeds of future conflict.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: consequences; impeachnow; iran; israel; jihad; moreleeway; nukes; obama; obamanation; rop; twelvers; war; waronterror; worldwar3
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1 posted on 03/12/2015 1:41:17 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Oh, I think a nuclear exchange in the middle east is inevitable, looking decades out.

Obama’s deal with Iran merely brings the date of that event closer.


2 posted on 03/12/2015 1:42:58 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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To: Jim Robinson

Saying “could” is being extremely generous. Obama changed the White House line from “Iran will never obtain a nuclear weapon” to “Iran can have nukes, but (please) ten years down the road”.

It is most definitely “will” rather than “could”. Obama will be a direct cause of World War III by doing this.


3 posted on 03/12/2015 1:43:15 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Steely Tom

Iran’s looking much further afield than the Middle East. Their “Great Satan” is not located there after all.


4 posted on 03/12/2015 1:44:21 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Steely Tom

Iran’s looking much further afield than the Middle East. Their “Great Satan” is not located there after all.


5 posted on 03/12/2015 1:44:21 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

That’s an observation worth repeating.


6 posted on 03/12/2015 1:45:20 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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To: Jim Robinson
Never Happen!


7 posted on 03/12/2015 1:45:42 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Jim Robinson

Once again,

CONGRESS allowing Obama to sow the seeds of Nuclear Holocaust by giving Nukes to a Declared Terrorist Nation

we used to call this TREASON when I was a kid!

Congress has ALL the power in washington, the executive and judicial branch operate according to the whims of CONGRESS!

Congress can Remove the President
Congress can remove the head of every executive agency
Congress can remove ALL of their employees
Congress can Abolish every agency they so choose
Congress can remove EVERY JUDGE IN AMERICA, including every supreme court justice.
Congress can abolish every federal court except the supreme Court
Congress can decide which cases the Judicial Branch can hear and decide
CONGRESS can Imprison ANYONE they want for any reason they so desire for as long as they wish.
Congress can declare WAR

No other governing body has even 10% of the power CONGRESS has!!

CONGRESS IS ALLOWING ALL OF IT!!!


8 posted on 03/12/2015 1:46:36 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama’s about face on nuclear non-proliferation to help his Brothers Iran ?


9 posted on 03/12/2015 1:46:55 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: Jim Robinson
Obama thinks he's the twelfth imam...so he's not terribly concerned

Thank you.




10 posted on 03/12/2015 1:47:42 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: molson209
Obama’s about face on nuclear non-proliferation to help his Brothers Iran ?

As Rush Limbaugh observed on his show today: the Obama administration sees a nuclear Iran as a stabilizing influence, necessary to counter a nuclear Israel.

11 posted on 03/12/2015 1:48:44 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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To: eyeamok

Thanks, you are absolutely right. Mostly.

I do think you’re wrong here, though.

“CONGRESS can Imprison ANYONE they want for any reason they so desire for as long as they wish.”

No such power in the Constitution. Thankfully.

However, I get extremely tired of drivel about “three co-equal branches of government.”

The Founders intended and designed the Constitution to make Congress supreme.

However, for the last hundred years or so Congress has increasingly abdicated its powers. The problem is that exercising power will always piss somebody off. The best way to get re-elected is to piss few people off as possible.

Exercising its constitutional power is in the interests of Congress as an institution, but counter to the interests of the individual congresscritters. Guess which wins.


12 posted on 03/12/2015 1:52:11 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Jim Robinson

I think Obama is doing exactly what he intended to do: degrade America on the world stage, increase the power of third world nations, bolster Islam, and in general create havoc and destuction in the west.

Not for one minute do I believe this guy is so stupid or naive as to really believe the consequences of his actions would be anything else.


13 posted on 03/12/2015 1:52:17 PM PDT by ZULU (Je Suis Charlie. . GET IT OBAMA, OR DON'T YOU??)
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To: Jim Robinson

I wish I could fast forward 100 years just to see how the era in history is remembered.


14 posted on 03/12/2015 1:52:46 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (Liberals claim to want to hear other views, but then are shocked to discover there are other views)
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To: Steely Tom

Our choice was peace or honor. Obama chose dishonor. We will have war. (apologies to Churchill)


15 posted on 03/12/2015 1:53:08 PM PDT by Daveinyork ( Marbury vs.Madison was the biggest power grab in American history.)
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To: Jim Robinson

What deal? In the words of Roy Orbison:

“Anything you want...you got it.”


16 posted on 03/12/2015 1:54:07 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Steely Tom

I think “decades out” is far to optimistic. Try a few years at most. Maybe months. JMHO of course.


17 posted on 03/12/2015 1:56:32 PM PDT by piytar (If you don't know what the doctrines of taqiyya and abrogation are, you are a fool!)
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To: Jim Robinson

War is coming. The only question is whether we will be ready, and which side will we be on.


18 posted on 03/12/2015 1:57:26 PM PDT by marron
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To: Sherman Logan

Congress has the authority to arrest and imprison those found in Contempt. The power extends throughout the United States and is an inherent power (does not depend upon legislated act)

If found in Contempt the person can be arrested under a warrant of the Speaker of the House of Representatives or President of the Senate, by the respective Sergeant at Arms.

Statutory criminal contempt is an alternative to inherent contempt.

Under the inherent contempt power Congress may imprison a person for a specific period of time or an indefinite period of time, except a person imprisoned by the House of Representatives may not be imprisoned beyond adjournment of a session of Congress.

Imprisonment may be coercive or punitive.

Some references

[1] Joseph Story’s Commentaries on the Constitution, Volume 2, § 842
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/a1_5s21.html

[2] Anderson v. Dunn - 19 U.S. 204 - “And, as to the distance to which the process might reach, it is very clear that there exists no reason for confining its operation to the limits of the District of Columbia; after passing those limits, we know no bounds that can be prescribed to its range but those of the United States.”
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/19/204/case.html

[3] Jurney v. MacCracken, 294 U.S. 125
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/294/125/case.html
73rd Cong., 78 Cong. Rec. 2410 (1934)
https://archive.org/details/congressionalrec78aunit

[4] McGrain v. Daugherty, 273 U.S. 135 - Under a warrant issued by the President of the Senate the Deputy to the Senate Sergeant at Arms arrested at Cincinnati, Ohio, Mally S. Daugherty, who had been twice subpoenaed by the Senate and twice failed to appear.
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/273/135/case.html

[5] Rules of the House of Representatives, Rule IV Duties of the Sergeant at Arms - [] execute the commands of the House, and all processes issued by authority thereof, directed to him by the Speaker.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/HMAN-105/pdf/HMAN-105-pg348.pdf

[6] An analysis of Congressional inquiry, subpoena, and enforcement
http://www.constitutionproject.org/documents/when-congress-comes-calling-a-primer-on-the-principles-practices-and-pragmatics-of-legislative-inquiry/

I will continue to beat this drum until everyone else catches on, that it is CONGRESS ALLOWING IT


19 posted on 03/12/2015 1:58:54 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: piytar
I think “decades out” is far to optimistic. Try a few years at most. Maybe months. JMHO of course.

You could be right, of course.

My point is that the combination of Islam and nuclear weapons makes their use inevitable. Their religion commands them to use whatever they've got to smite their self-described enemies.

20 posted on 03/12/2015 1:58:55 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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