Posted on 03/01/2015 8:59:35 AM PST by Second Amendment First
Easily done, you can cast hard lead or swage press lead core copper jacketed bullets (http://www.corbins.com/index.htm).
Add cases, powder, primers and a bullet press and you are reloading at home. Of course, it takes a bit of knowledge and skill but those are the essential tools.
I believe they really have no logic. They, ATF, do whatever they feel they can get away with. They just made up that "indentation goes beyond 80%" stuff. But I hear what you're saying.
The Ares guys are wonderful vets and their only "fault" is they believe in the 2nd Amendment.
LOL! You win the interwebs today.
For one primary reason - it is a ghost gun, meaning that neither the Feds nor the state know of the existence of that gun (lower receiver).
I did a cost analysis on this and AS A GENERAL RULE, the 1st AR is going to be slightly more (say 20%) by the time you buy the tools, gigs, blanks etc. However, if you already have a drill press and a Dremel, the costs are slightly less. You still have to buy the upper and the trigger assembly and the stock so the cost savings are not significant.
If however, you are going to make more than one AR, (perhaps allow your buddies to use your equipment) then the cost drops below what you can buy it for from the market. Again, not significantly.
According to the ATF, the “weapon” is the lower, not the barrel. Those can be purchased, shipped and do not require a background check. In other words, they are not tracked by the feds.
Last week Gander Mountain was selling Ruger's AR clone for $699
I’d love to set up a local business here in the North Denver area that does exactly what the Ares guys did. I am also a very pro 2nd vet and believe that were this nation is heading will require MORE guns, not fewer. the only problem is that I don’t have the financing to get it started.
If you had a clue what you are talking about you would have saved your breath on this one. He Built an AR-10, it does not chamber or fire the ammunition you referred to..
Before you engage your fingers/mouth on issues you really need to know what the hell you are talking about. You failed.
And by the way, I load my own ammo every day. Although this ammo ban is stupid it will not slow down my reloading process at all. The full metal jacket Ball ammo they want to ban is my last choice to shoot out of my AR-15’s because it is non expanding and just punches little holes. I much prefer soft nose, or hollow point bullets that expand in the target displacing more tissue and expending much more energy into the target.
If the Oboma bots get their way everyone will have to shoot these more deadly bullets...
Sometimes things just do not work out like you want them too.. With this ban, more people will die because of the mandated use of much more lethal bullets.
“Then explain the raid on Ares Armor in San Diego last year. ATF does what it wants, the same as Obama.”
The ATF went after a firm manufacturing reinforced plastic 80% lowers claiming that a different-colored plastic plug that replicated the area to be milled out had been injected into a finished lower, rather than as the manufacturer claimed the plug had been overmolded with the receiver. The difference is that the manufacturer did not have a “license” to make firearms and that at one point in their process, the ATF claimed that they in fact, had made a firearm ( a 100% lower receiver) that they “turned into an 80% part” in a secondary process. Ares was selling the finished parts and had their inventory confiscated in a raid which was illegal. Both Ares and the manufacturer are suing the ATF and my bet is that they are going to win.
“Technically, it is still a factory made weapon. “
“Technically” you are not correct under the Federal Firearms Act of 1968. The “weapon” is the lower receiver. The rest are just purchased parts.
“The Ares guys are wonderful vets and their only “fault” is they believe in the 2nd Amendment.”
True, and one of the partners is an attorney.
Go read this affidavit which lays out just how stupid the ATF is:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B99vEBRSpVxrWnZRV1BxZWFSQ2c/view?pli=1
They just make up “the law” as they go along.
As I recall, the plug sure looks overmolded to me. There is no clear edge. This on the plastic lowers, the metal lowers have no marks at all, much less plugs.
That raid was a joke as Ares had a restraint order (or whatever it's called) that the ATF ignored. I really hope Ares and the manufacturer win!
” With this ban, more people will die because of the mandated use of much more lethal bullets.”
Might or might not be true, since virtually no criminals are using AR’s to commit crimes. The real truth is that the ATF is just trying to “whore up” the AR ammo marketplace, and to keep military surplus M855 ammo out of civilian hands. And all the while, we sit here with the Second Amendment as the only one of The Bill of Rights that requires a citizen to get a license to exercise that RIGHT, while the SCOTUS simply picks at the issue as if it were a scab on a sore. The SCOTUS is still trying to figure out how to “pick up what they regard as a legal turd, by the clean end.”
Oh yes they do. They raided Ares illegally. I'd forgotten about the attorney. The young men are very nice.
We need more and more of these places. I sure hope you can, someday, open a place of your own!
The drill jigs take care of the tolerance stack up.
Hopefully everyone who can, builds these. More importantly stock up on bullets and ammo before King Obama declares metal bullets illegal. Then, promptly go boating with said items.
“That raid was a joke as Ares had a restraint order (or whatever it’s called) that the ATF ignored. I really hope Ares and the manufacturer win!”
The ATF bullshitted another judge to get around the TRO and that judge is pissed off that they “used” him.
Here is Ares “timeline.” Karas and his partner are going after the ATF big time and they have some good lawyers behind their effort.
http://aresarmor.com/store/Ares-Armor-dispute-with-the-ATF
"After three hours of work with light tools, I had built the essential component of an AR-15 rifle."
If you had a clue what you are talking about you would have saved your breath on this one. He Built an AR-10, it does not chamber or fire the ammunition you referred to..
Ooooh, oldenuff2no - you're some smart, I would never have figured that out based on the title and discussion until the end....but you are right. The author finishes up with "A quick confessionmy new firearm isnt technically an AR-15, but an AR-10. This variant is similar except that it fires a more powerful 7.62-millimeter NATO bullet, compared to the standard AR-15s 5.56-millimeter round."
I don't know why he titled this as a home-built AR15 in the first place. But unlike you, I am clueless...
“If you had a clue what you are talking about you would have saved your breath on this one. He Built an AR-10, it does not chamber or fire the ammunition you referred to..
Before you engage your fingers/mouth on issues you really need to know what the hell you are talking about. You failed.”
In Broken Arrow’s defense the title does say he built an AR15. Furthermore IMO your post was unnecessarily rude and insulting.
Glad to hear the judge feels used!
Here is Ares timeline. Karas and his partner are going after the ATF big time and they have some good lawyers behind their effort.
Thanks for the link. I'd lost track of what was going on after hearing they were fighting the ATF.
I'm very encouraged that Ares has some smart guys defending them (not that they aren't all smart) and it seems they just may prevail!
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