Posted on 02/25/2015 12:32:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind
This seems like a solid enough news hook to revisit a theme I addressed shortly after the Paris attacks, when the Obama administration’s ‘radical-Islamist-violence-has-nothing-to-do-with-Islam’ rhetoric was in full throat. Via The Telegraph:
One in four British Muslims sympathise with terrorists behind the Charlie Hebdo attacks, a new poll shows. A poll reveals how a significant minority of Muslims endorse terrorist atrocities against those who mock the Prophet Mohammed. Some 27 per cent of British Muslims said they have “some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks” on the Paris magazine, according to polling by ComRes for the BBC. A further 32 per cent said they were not surprised by the attacks. Some 11 per cent said that magazines which publish images of the Prophet Mohammed “deserve to be attacked.” And only 68 per cent of British Muslims said that attacks on the publishers of images of the Prophet are “never” justified, while 24 disagreed.
The BBC poll also found that 95 percent of Muslims polled expressed loyalty to Britain, with 93 percent agreeing that British laws must be obeyed. I’m…not quite sure how to square those numbers with other survey findings — like the one-in-five British Muslims who believe Islam is incompatible with Western society, the worrisome degree of sympathy for the Charlie Hebdo terrorists, and the 11 percent faction that proactively supports attacks on “those who slander the prophet of Islam” (the ultimate discussion-enders). It would appear as though a sizable chunk of British Muslims can reconcile applauding, or at least relating to, stone-cold Islamist killers with being perfectly loyal Britons. Hmm. According to census data, roughly 2.8 million Muslims live in the UK, so if you extrapolate the numbers, approximately 750,000 British Muslims fall into the “sympathetic” category. More than 300,000 are in the ghoulish “attaboy” camp, equivalent to the entire population of Pittsburgh. Remember, these are Western Muslims. By the way, the BBC’s headline on its own poll highlights the fact that most respondents “oppose Mohammad cartoon reprisals.” That’s certainly welcome news, but I’m afraid it buries the lead. Relatedly, when hundreds of mourners turned out to pay respects to the dead jihadi who shot up a free speech event in Copenhagen last week, Allahpundit made an incisive point about often-ignored, uncomfortable gray areas within our lexical tug-of-war over Islam and extremism:
To say that most Muslims are peaceful is true but also simplistic. There’s el-Hussein, the killer; there’s the people who stayed away from his funeral today in contempt (the Danish Islamic Burial Fund objected to el-Hussein’s burial in their cemetery); and then there’s that “circle of acquaintances,” numbering well into the hundreds, who haven’t picked up a gun themselves but for whatever reason feel sufficiently comfortable with what this degenerate did that they’ll show up in full view of news cameras to pay their respects. Obama has no problem denouncing the first group — every population has its nuts and fanatics — and no problem praising the second, but you rarely hear him talk at length about the third.
What are we to make of this third group? Do they count as peaceable? Radical? One thing’s for sure: They’d absolutely reject the fashionable, blithe pronouncements that they don’t count as true Muslims — as would the ISIS savages, for that matter. I understand that Western leaders must walk something of a tightrope in distinguishing between radical Islamists and the peaceful majority of worldwide Muslims. “We are not at war with Islam” is an important truth that must be reiterated often; Al Qaeda and ISIS recruitment propaganda makes the opposite claim for a reason. But responsible push-back crosses into counter-productive territory when the official line bears no resemblance to reality. Virtually nobody — not Americans, not the terrorists, nobody — actually believes that Islamic extremism is totally divorced from Islam. Mule-headedly peddling that fiction therefore comes across not as nuanced tolerance, but as morally-confused and dangerously naive weakness. Western leaders should spend less time mouthing feel-goodery, and more time offering strong support for the brave and critically important efforts of Egypt’s president:
While our president assures us that the jihadi cancer has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam, al-Sisi is calling for an intra-Islam “revolution” to reject and defeat the jihadi cancer within its ranks. The disconnect is striking. Exit question (Allahpundit ™): How would Western politically-correct apology brigades categorize the views of this Norwegian cleric and his congregation?
“Every now and then, every time we have a conference, every time we invite a speaker, they [the media] always come with the same accusations: This speaker supports the death penalty for homosexuals, this speaker supports the death penalty for this crime or this crime or that he is homophobic, that he subjugates women, etcetera,” said Qureshi in a video posted by the Middle East Memory Research Institute (MEMRI). “We always try to tell them,” he continued, “I always try to tell them that it is not that speaker that we are inviting who has these ‘extreme radical views,’ as you say. These are general views that every Muslim actually has…Every Muslim believes in these things,” said Qureshi…
Who is better equipped to discuss and decide who qualifies as a ‘genuine’ Muslim: Mr. Qureshi, or Josh Earnest?
The other 73 percent are lying and engaging in Taqqiya.
Looks like 27 % of British Muslims need to go back to where they came from.
Britain’s Got Trouble.
Coming soon to the Islamic States of America.
I am surprise the number is not much higher - especially in England.
United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, 4.4% of the total population.
27% of that is 752,391 POTENTIAL terrorists or sympathizers and supporters LIVING IN THE UK !!!
One in four British Muslims sympathise with terrorists behind the Charlie Hebdo attacks- that’s nice. KILL THEM.
They have also spread into the USA big time. And notice how they have carefully spread out so that have their people in every nick and corner of the country, complete with mosques. - not good!
Mohammed was not a prophet and deserves no respectable title whatsoever.
But I thought it was only .0000000000000000000000000000000001% of the muslims that were extremists. I’m so confused.
England: You’ve got one big fucking Moslem problem.
Good luck in keeping your newspapers, radio and TV stations safe, as well as yourselves on the streets of Old Bailey.
The new symbol of the British Empire is going to be a camel, not the royal lion.
FOPS, fucking FOPS, you Brits. And stupid too.
Margaret Thatcher and John Major were the last two British leaders with balls. From then on, all you got were gutless, mealymouthed eunuchs.
The other 73 percent are lying and engaging in Taqqiya.
Beat me to it.
The other possibility is they call themselves muslim but they do do any muslim things. I know Catholics like that.
And today...
Anecdotal but I really believe it: for years after 9/11 I got into conversations about religion with Muslim taxi drivers. I admitted being Jewish and we had very intelligent talks, in all sorts of cities from Chicago to Las Vegas. I would always get around to the extremists, and I’d ask if there were people in his mosque who went along with or agreed with the things Al Qaeda did. TO A PERSON, 100%, if the taxi driver went to a mosque and most did, he admitted casually that yes, there were those people in his mosque, but, again 100% HE didn’t hang around with them or pay attention to those jerks, etc.
I believe it is as accepted by the general flock in the congregation that among them are jihaders. The rest of the flock might make shooing hand movements about them, or shake their heads, but THEY ARENT ASKED TO LEAVE THE MOSQUE. What about at your church? Some “prayer groups” advocating blowing up Mecca, would they not be forced out of the church? I know in no synagogue in this country would be a group advocating murder, either.
There is something fundamentally different in Islam from all other major world religions: their holy book does advocate if not glorify killing non-believers.
And this makes the “moderate” Muslims loath to remove the Jihadis from their midst.
And breath......lol
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