Until they realize that all that water vapor being released will indeed start a trend in global warming.
Time to sink a hydrogen well in my back yard...
Ten years from now we’ll have four sets of portable transport technology competing against each other for space in the world’s transport systems. Internal combustion gasoline. Internal combustion natural gas. Fuel Cell cars. Electric cars.
This will set off a fantastic world wide competition between the four transport technologies to reduce their costs to stay in the game.
Who will be the beneficiaries of this vast competition?
Guess.
Not to pick a winner, but Musk’s protests remind me of Edison’s against AC power. Let the market decide what’s best.
I really believe without the California and Northeast State Consortium requirements for ZEVs, none of these would be offered. And 2 dollar gas makes the economics even tougher.
Green Energy Automobile Ping!.......................
No thanks, I’ll stay with gas and continue to shop for the perfect Porsche Boxster GTS.
However, I believe that Toyota is the automaker that could pull this off.
Anything that takes us away from gasoline is excellent.
EVs don’t make their energy either, unless they are hybrids. Otherwise they have to take energy from the grid via inefficient transfer systems- hardly “clean burning” - and STORE it in batteries.
Its extremely affordable. $45,000 isn’t bad for a hydrogen fuel cell car.
And the 3 minutes recharge time is a plus.
300 mile range.
Looks like Mirai delivers the goods.
Hyrdrogen is not a fuel. It is an energy-storage medium, since it requires much more energy to create it than it does to refine fossil fuels.
OK, it’s better than battery power for cars, so what.
You need electricity to separate Hydrogen from Oxygen that mean coal fired power plants.
The electrical power grid is becoming more and more strained as more and more coal fired power plants are decommissioned thanks to Obama’s War on Coal.
Who is going to buy an electric car that is going to be prohibitively expensive to drive due to the cost of hydrogen being prohibitive due to the high cost of electricity?
I will buy an electric car (hydrogen fuel cell/electric car) when it make more economic sense to buy one than it does an internal combustion engine car.
Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid.
Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.
Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen Monoxide as a toxic or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better known chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and benzene), DHMO is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful.
Why haven’t I heard about Dihydrogen Monoxide before?
Good question. Historically, the dangers of DHMO, for the most part, have been considered minor and manageable.
While the more significant dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are currently addressed by a number of agencies including FDA, FEMA and CDC, public awareness of the real and daily dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide is lower than some think it should be.
What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:
Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
Contributes to soil erosion.
Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.
There’s a hydrogen filling station just a couple blocks from where I live. I was checking it out yesterday and wondering about it.
hydrogen:battery::led:cfl
The Hindenburg, coming to a street corner near you soon.
I briefly worked in the fuel cell industry. They sound all great and wonderful until the temperature falls before freezing. I have faith in engineers at Toyota though. What I don’t enjoy is paying $13,000 of my tax dollars to the people who buy them. I’m still driving a 20 year old beater and no one is giving my $13,000 to buy a brand new car.
1. For the same energy as gasoline, electricity costs 5 bucks a gallon, and it's going up fast. You need much more than a gallon of electricity (equivalent) to make a gallon (equivalent) of hydrogen.
2) Hydrogen doesn't compress to a liquid at vehicle operating temperatures, it remains as a gas, which must be compressed for storage. Even at 10,000 psi, an extremely high pressure, hydrogen occupies 7 times the volume of gasoline, NOT including the tank. My 4000 psi oxygen tank weighs about 80 pounds, and stores a couple of gallons.
3) There is simply no hydrogen supply and delivery system anywhere close to being available in the US.
So where is the electricity coming from to hydrolyze water into hydrogen (fuel) and oxygen? It will come from coal burning power plants. If it comes from a natural gas fired power plant then it makes more sense to burn natural gas directly in an internal combustion engine. Nuclear power to produce hydrogen is also non polluting
If the electricity come from hydro-electric power then hydrogen makes sense and will truly be non polluting. Wind and solar are a joke and only exist due to an array of gov’t payoffs