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Putin is pushing the Patriarch to the brink
Catholic Herald ^ | 02/19/2015 | Geraldine Fagan

Posted on 02/22/2015 12:30:33 PM PST by Agog

The Patriarch of Moscow laid the intellectual groundwork for Russia’s incursion into Ukraine. But now he is paying an exceedingly heavy price

Russia has done shocking things in Ukraine – but, with a display of nerve that should surprise no one, it presents its designs on that country as the legitimate resurgence of an Orthodox Christian civilisation.

(Excerpt) Read more at catholicherald.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: catholic; christian; crimea; donetsk; evangelical; putin; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine; vladtheimploder
Putin, that great defender of Christianity ....
1 posted on 02/22/2015 12:30:33 PM PST by Agog
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To: Agog

Hey, if you do anything but say Put in is the next Reagan, you are a secret agent for Obama.


2 posted on 02/22/2015 12:37:58 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Agog
Heightens one's appreciation for the First Amendment:

To confine Russian Orthodoxy to Russia’s present borders, added Kirill, would be “to sin against historical truth and artificially sever from us millions of people who feel responsible for the fate of the Russian World and see its creation as their life’s work”. [...] Kirill clearly envisaged this influence as “soft power”. Instead, Putin has adopted his worldview in the ruthless pursuit of hard objectives. Russian Orthodoxy is invoked to sanctify Moscow’s appropriation of Crimea and assertion of control over swathes of eastern Ukraine.

[...] In order to distance his Church from the Kremlin’s line at least somewhat, Kirill has latterly sought to qualify his earlier vision of the Russian World by stressing that it today consists of “independent states, and we respect their sovereignty, their readiness and desire to build their national life independently”.

Yet the damage may already be done. Instead of consolidating the Russian World through his ostensibly pro-Orthodox policies in Ukraine, Putin has created a rift between the Russian and Ukrainian branches of Kirill’s Church. And with the Patriarch – potentially Putin’s most powerful critic – silenced, there may be no one to close it.

3 posted on 02/22/2015 12:38:37 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Agog

From the article:

“In practice, however, the whole notion of a resurgent Orthodox civilisation is unravelling. Putin’s Ukrainian proxies are hardly exemplars of Orthodox piety. Putin may have characterised Crimea as a land sacred to Russians at its annexation, but just weeks later the Russian parliament passed a new law establishing the territory as a special gambling zone. Many of the pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine claim to fight in the name of Orthodoxy – they even have an “Orthodox Army” – but there is next to no religious sentiment in their recruitment videos, to say nothing of their American-style rap anthem. Last summer a commander of these would-be Christian warriors had to resort to a special decree to curb their foul language.

This is not surprising, given that the separatist eastern territories are situated in the least religious area of Ukraine. In 2010, the number of religious communities per capita in easternmost Ukraine was less than half that of central regions, and only about a quarter that of western Ukraine.”

American style rap for their anthem? These guys really need to be killed. Also funny that the West is more religious than the East, but Putin depicts this as a religious war against an unbelieving West. By the way, the article doesn’t seem to mention that Kirill was outed as a KGB agent a long time ago. The ROC is just another arm of the Kremlin. The “patriarch,” thus, cannot be pushed to the brink. He just takes orders and gets paid anyway it goes.


4 posted on 02/22/2015 12:50:09 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The floors of Hell are paved with the souls of corrupt Priests.


5 posted on 02/22/2015 12:59:35 PM PST by FroggyTheGremlim ("Your apathy is their power." - Sarah Palin Jul 19, 2014)
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To: Agog

Putin corrupts everything he touches. That’s why it’s comical to read posts by nitwits and pinheads dumb enough to think that this former KGB thug, wife beater, president for life, and murderer of political opponents is some type of paladin of Christ. If they’re that dumb that they believe Putin is for Christianity, it is an embarrassment to the conservative cause. Fawning over foreign dictators is a leftist trait, not one of ours. Forgetting the value of the constitution, rule of law, separation of powers, property rights is a common mistake for Lefties, not real conservatives. These boobs and putinistas have as much to do with conservatism as Putin has to do the expansion of civil rights for Russian speaking people.


6 posted on 02/22/2015 1:11:15 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: eCSMaster

Whereas heaven is packed full of KGB agents.


7 posted on 02/22/2015 2:00:39 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
Hey, if you do anything but say Put in is the next Reagan, you are a secret agent for Obama.

Ping

The problem is America's own leadership and iniquity.

8 posted on 02/22/2015 2:49:15 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Agog
Earlier, Putin had basked in the opportunity to rub shoulders with Western leaders at G8 summits. But, in 2013, he astonished international guests at his Valdai International Discussion Club – a crowd more accustomed to the intricacies of finance than theology – with an outburst against Western morality: “We can see how many of the Euro-Atlantic countries are actually rejecting their roots, including the Christian values that constitute the basis of Western civilisation. They are denying moral principles and all traditional identities: national, cultural, religious and even sexual.” In the Kremlin’s latest twist of this new narrative, Russia must save Ukraine from the clutches of a dissolute, gay-friendly West.

In practice, however, the whole notion of a resurgent Orthodox civilisation is unravelling. Putin’s Ukrainian proxies are hardly exemplars of Orthodox piety. Putin may have characterised Crimea as a land sacred to Russians at its annexation, but just weeks later the Russian parliament passed a new law establishing the territory as a special gambling zone. Many of the pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine claim to fight in the name of Orthodoxy – they even have an “Orthodox Army” – but there is next to no religious sentiment in their recruitment videos,..

Catholics and Protestants are already reporting difficulties in the pro-Moscow areas. Protestant communities are particularly strong in south-east Ukraine, following a 19th-century spiritual revival among German settlers originally invited there by Catherine the Great. - http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/february-20th-2015/putin-is-pushing-the-patriarch-to-the-brink/

9 posted on 02/22/2015 2:49:19 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Gosh, what a surprise.

10 posted on 02/22/2015 3:03:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: ConservingFreedom

RE post # 3 Putin Krill rift...
Well if things get too sticky for Krill he can allways retreat to his villa in Switzerland and set up his own Swiss Guard../s


11 posted on 02/22/2015 4:22:34 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Some of my best rebuttals are in FR's along with meaningless venting no one reads.)
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