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Pilot’s body found still clutching joystick of crashed plane
FreeMaylasiaToday.com ^ | February 6, 2015 | AFP

Posted on 02/07/2015 8:19:25 PM PST by Reverend Saltine

The bodies of Liao and his co-pilot were retrieved from the almost-new turboprop ATR 72-600's cockpit still clutching the joystick, with their legs badly broken, investigators said.

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taiwan-crashTAIPEI: The pilot of the crashed TransAsia plane was still clutching the joystick when his body was found in the cockpit, after he battled to avoid populated areas, reports said Friday as the airline faced sanctions over its second fatal accident.

The TransAsia Airways ATR 72-600 crashed shortly after take-off from Songshan airport in Taipei on Wednesday, hitting an elevated road as it banked steeply away from buildings and into the Keelung River.

Pilot Liao Chien-tsung, 41, was among at least 35 people who lost their lives in the accident. Fifteen people survived and rescuers are still searching the river and submerged wreckage for another eight who remain missing.

Liao has been hailed as a hero for apparently making a last-ditch attempt to steer the turboprop plane, with 53 passengers and five crew on board, away from built-up areas during its steep descent, avoiding more deaths and damage.

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To: entropy12

> “My guess is the pilot turned off the good engine with a hope of a crash landing in the river. But just did not have the altitude to pull it off.”

Not my guess. If the good engine was producing more torque than could be controlled by the ailerons and tail (a long shot for a commercial airliner), they might have reduced the power on the good engine slightly, not shut it off.

One of the two pilots guessed wrong (for whatever reason) on which engines was out.


21 posted on 02/07/2015 9:02:39 PM PST by jim_trent
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To: entropy12
The hardest thing to do in pilot training is to lower the nose to build airspeed when there is no altitude permitting. Understandably so.

Aircraft crash rates with twin engine props with one engine out are far more lethal than single engine or center line thrust multi-engine aircraft.

The Beechcraft Baron was famous for this problem. There was a best rate of climb published at something like 80KTS. Minimum controllable airspeed in a Baron with critical engine out was like 78 KTS. It was very easy to find yourself in a pickle.

22 posted on 02/07/2015 9:02:48 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: matt1234

Just looking at the blurring of the props in that picture, it looks like port (low side) blades are turning a lot slower than starboard blades.


23 posted on 02/07/2015 9:07:02 PM PST by Steely Tom (Vote GOP for A Slower Handbasket)
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To: Steely Tom

Yep, that’s #1. They shut it offabout 40 seconds after #2 failed.

Just before the end, they restarted it. In that pic, it is just coming back up to speed.


24 posted on 02/07/2015 9:11:11 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?rgn=div5;node=14%3A1.0.1.3.11#se14.1.25_1121

One engine out climb requirements for passenger certification.


25 posted on 02/07/2015 9:12:32 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: GeronL

thank you


26 posted on 02/07/2015 9:12:46 PM PST by machogirl
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To: doorgunner69

This one was not an Airbus though.


27 posted on 02/07/2015 9:16:40 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: jim_trent

Since the good engine was producing maximum thrust and the bad engine zero thrust, laws of physics would immediately want the aircraft flying sideways. If the aircraft has not gained enough altitude at the point of engine failure, it must be difficult to level the aircraft with ailerons and tail manipulations.

The pilot was hoping by killing the good engine, the plane could be leveled and a crash landing in the river was the only way out.

The main question in my mind is, were both engines adequately tested before attempting takeoff? If yes, what makes one engine fail so quickly and completely? It can’t be overheating or fuel running out or metal fatigue.


28 posted on 02/07/2015 9:20:58 PM PST by entropy12 ( Only real function of economic forecasts is to make astrology look respectable.)
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To: ltc8k6

Do all foreign airlines follow part 121 operations? Max gross weight and CG loading? Most regional carriers adjust fuel load to stay within safe loading. Pilots do not ever like to remove fuel to get within gross weight requirements. Gross weight severely restricts normal to utility category loading.


29 posted on 02/07/2015 9:22:40 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Reverend Saltine
I was taught to always fly the airplane in an emergency to dead stop. no matter the circumstances.

That lesson has saved my life once along with 5 passangers.

30 posted on 02/07/2015 9:24:10 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Reverend Saltine

The Aircraft has no stick. It has a YOKE, so the yoke must be on them?


31 posted on 02/07/2015 9:24:55 PM PST by timlilje
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To: entropy12
The hardest thing to do in pilot training is to lower the nose to build airspeed when there is no altitude permitting. Understandably so.

Aircraft crash rates with twin engine props with one engine out are far more lethal than single engine or center line thrust multi-engine aircraft.

The Beechcraft Baron was famous for this problem. There was a best rate of climb published at something like 80KTS. Minimum controllable airspeed in a Baron with critical engine out was like 78 KTS. It was very easy to find yourself in a pickle.

32 posted on 02/07/2015 9:25:25 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blackdog

He was too low, too slow—Classic Tip Stall, fell off the “beachball”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_mMd13iE5g

This is an RC airplane but the aerodynamics are the same.


33 posted on 02/07/2015 9:28:41 PM PST by timlilje
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To: ltc8k6

Does it have a RAT (ram air turbine) to generate a minimum amount of electricity to power the control surfaces?

If so, they could have trimmed for best glide and taken it right to the river with a better landing than what they did.


34 posted on 02/07/2015 9:33:41 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: oldplayer

Point well taken. I will try to avoid these ATR’s.


35 posted on 02/07/2015 9:34:30 PM PST by entropy12 ( Only real function of economic forecasts is to make astrology look respectable.)
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To: timlilje
I got my multi engine training in the Piper Aztec, model D. It was known as the Aztruck. Heavy, clumsy, underpowered, and came down like a brick. Flight Safety picked a good platform for a twin trainer there. A lot of schools now use Seminoles, Senecas, and such. They are very forgiving and allow you to develop some very bad habbits.
36 posted on 02/07/2015 9:34:49 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blackdog

AFAIK, Taiwan CAA follows our FAA regs.


37 posted on 02/07/2015 9:35:04 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Engine #2 was still running at idle speed, so they had power.


38 posted on 02/07/2015 9:40:28 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

Then they could have easily trimmed for best glide and did a little better on their landing possibly.


39 posted on 02/07/2015 9:42:02 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: blackdog

I think some have mentioned that in the picture in post #14, that it appears that right prop is turning while the left is not. If true, it would cause exactly the scenario depicted.


40 posted on 02/07/2015 9:44:14 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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