Dr. Rand Paul: Vaccines Can Lead to 'Mental Disorders'

NBC News ^ | 02/02/2015

[antceecee]

Think about it... they hyped the ebola threat and now they are hyping the “Disney” measles threat. Admit that it is from someone who brought it into our porous borders.. meanwhile they are insisting you give up your rights and allow govt to administer vaccine to you and your children. Another purposefully fabricated “Crisis” designed to persuade you to give up your rights as a free person, free individual. Even a five year old could see this....

[cva66snipe]

I do know this much. Based on what my cousins were told one of them after she married and had kids had very serious reservations about vaccines and took her a long time to decide to go ahead. And again read my previous post about what happened to my wife. The Neurologist kept asking us about recent vaccines. Now darn it he's a very smart man and now a teaching professor as well as his practice. I hardly think he would have been asking questions if he didn't highly suspect or know of a connection which later BTW was scientifically linking Swine Flu vaccine to Gullian Barre Syndrome which after a year and a MRI was built we learned she didn't have GBS but rather another auto immune disorder which did the damage.

IN time I've also learned that so called Rare side effects aren't as rare as claimed. For example I've seen antidepressants adverse reaction similar to LSD. But Nah that just don't happen neither or Rubbish as the doctor told me when I showed him his Pharmacology Professors article warning f Serotonin Syndrome caused by antidepressants. Yea it's so rare I damn near had it myself.

But I'm not anti vaccine. However I do think there is a lot of validity especially in the risk the Three in One vaccine MMR poses. Maybe it should be individual shots and spread out some is what I'm saying. Granted most kids immune systems can handle it but realizing some can not with tragic results.

[cva66snipe]

GunRunner, I used to be one of the Biggest Shills in FR for antidepressants and considered them all safe because doctors prescribed them and I myself had not heard of anyone having an adverse reaction.

My wife Has PTSD and Depression due to some rather traumatic events including quadriplegia, earlier abuse in her life, and a dentist nearly killing her with a wrong medication. She needed all her teeth pulled {I can prove this story by a very old threat I posted}. But she was scared so she went to a Psychiatrist for help. He gave her Dyseryl aka Trazodone and Zoloft. It worked for several months then out of the blue she became very agitated and was having trouble. Having faith that doctor was always right I took her to see the Shrink. He said Oh she's fine and see ya in three months Oh & increase the dosage.

By the time we got home she was hallucinating. I took her to the ER. They never took a drop of blood. They called for a mental commital elsewhere which I balked at and demanded blood work and a MRI of her brain be taken. He said NO. I went back in the ER and she was unconscious unattended siting in her wheel chair. I yelled get the doctor in here. He came in and shrugged. I loaded her up in the van for ER two across town. She arrived unconscious. I made the mistake of being honest after they got her conscious. That doctor said call the mental hospital I'm transferring her. CAN YOU GUNRUNNER NAME ME EVEN ONE MENTAL ILLNESS THAT CAUSES THIS? The state showed up and thankfull denied their request.

In the days to follow she was thrashing and halucinating but ALL medicaions except for Ativan were stopped. All of the sudden she was OK in about a 12 hour time frame a few days later.

In walks Dr Quack Shrink who had never seen her and says Yeap the other Shrink was right up the antidepressants. Next day at noon in walks nurse. One hour later my wife was hallucinating.

Now I'm not a doctor but Hells Bells you know. I went home and got online and typed in her antidepressants +Adverse reactions that was after some prayers BTW. And I got the right answer. It was the antidepressants causing it. I printed the report and rushed back to the hospital certain they would do the right thing. I asked the nurse to please contact their house doctor ASAP it was a matter of life and death. {It truly was} she said we can't bother him. I said read this. She sauid he will make rounds tomorrow morning. I said OK now you listen to me then You will not give her any medications except for Ativan without my expressed written permission and in my presence.

The next Morning in walks Dr Contracted angrier than a wet hen demanding to know why his orders were rescinded by me. I said Doc please read this. He glanced and said Oh this is pure Rubbish were his exact words. I said OK then read me the name of the author. It was his professor.

My point? I had argued with Freepers who told me SSRI's were dangerous to some. Their concerns were genuine and correct. Not one doctor in six did a PDR of her meds. BTW it left her with a bleeder in the brain and partial Amnesia. Our own primary doc was left out of the decisions process due to so called protocols. When she saw her a week later she said OMG what happened to you? Rare? Yes. But more common than many realize.

So am I anti antidepressant? No they do a lot of good for people. I am against patients not being warned by doctors who say AH it can't happen.

[Chickensoup]

Absolutely, I received diphtheria, tetnus and pertussis as well as smallpox...that small circle on older people’s upper arm

[cva66snipe]

He said he knows of "many tragic cases", which is quite unlikely to be true

Think for a moment. He's a senator. He gets petitioned by parents and by groups representing such issues as Autism. Yeah he likely does know of the number of cases and likely some that don't get added into the official CDC Stats. These are the parents who make calls and write letters looking for answers.

Autism for example when I was growing up {born in 1957} was rare. Now most people know of someone with an Autistic child. Before mainstreaming they were sent to special education schools and pre 1980 there wasn't that many. That's how I know.

So what changed? The stories all seem similar. Kids born with no notable defects or disorders suddenly developing disorders which can not be linked to any changes except for recent vaccines which began in early 1970's. Again is it the actual vaccine or the fact the All In One Method of vaccines became common?

I will say this. BIG PHARM has big influence in congress and in health agencies as well in dictating policies and even far too much influence in some doctors offices. I've seen three REPS sitting in an office from the same company with the same product before.

[Plummz]

So, you don't consider "long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness" mental disorders?

"Permanent brain damage" isn't a mental disorder?

Do you suffer from any of these yourself?

[GunRunner]

What I have yet to see is one shred of scientific evidence that there are "many tragic cases" of mental disorders caused by vaccinations. Vaccinations are responsible for eliminating and reducing diseases that killed hundreds of millions of people before modern medicine.

They are a marvel of human engineering, and as close to a gift from God as any scientific achievement has ever been. Antipathy towards vaccinations is 18th century folklore, not modern skepticism.

Acknowledging the vast and unanimous medical findings that vaccines are largely safe and effective is not believing "what the government and media want me to believe." It's called accepting evidence and rejecting quackery.

[Hawthorn]

>> If you don't get the shot, you still may not get measles, in which case your odds are not actually 1 in 1000 but zero <<

Sure, but you're simply assuming away the real problem, specifically:

If there is an outbreak, and if you are within about five feet of a person who is plus-or-minus four days away from having detectable signs of measles, the chances are apparently about 90 to 95% that you also will get measles if you haven't either (a) been vaccinated or (b) don't have "leftover" immunity from a previous infection.

>> these statistics are only good for general assessments. If you know or suspect your child has risk factors one way or the other, that will have to factor into the decision <<

Exactly. If my child has a compromised immune system or otherwise has a high risk that a vaccine would have adverse effects on him, you and I both want him to be exempt from vaccination.

But at the same time, my child's vulnerability is all the more reason that your healthy child and all other "healthy" children should be vaccinated. Government coercion is rarely justified, but this case is one of those rare instances.

IMO, what it comes down to is this:

You and your child have the all of our historically guaranteed rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But at the same time, you and your child don't have the right to expose my children to the measles virus -- just as you don't have the right falsely to shout "fire" in a crowded theater.

[GunRunner]

As the CDC report stated, these symptoms are so rare that it is impossible to deduce whether the vaccine is responsible.

And as I stated earlier, less than 1 in a million treatments is statistically insignificant in any large scale public health treatment. Rejecting vaccines and their benefits based on such gigantic odds and unproven correlations is called hysteria.

[GunRunner]

Infectious diseases running rampant are a risk to all, including older people who aren't vaccinated. You may be fine living in a country where young kids get sick and/or die from entirely preventable disease because their parents are ignorant.

I'm not.

[GunRunner]

Apples and oranges. Vaccines are not anti-depressants, nor is there any evidence that they radically alter brain chemistry or have any suicide risk.

[DarkSavant]

Infectious diseases running rampant are a risk to all, including older people who aren't vaccinated. You may be fine living in a country where young kids get sick and/or die from entirely preventable disease because their parents are ignorant. I'm not.

And when the government mandates everyone gets a questionable vaccine against the parent's wishes that causes severe health defects, what then?

I trust Parents before the Government, do you?

[GunRunner]

The state governments mandate them for public school, as does the military. There is no evidence that any of the vaccines are "questionable".

If you want to believe cranks and have your kids be at risk from entirely preventable diseases, fine, that's your right. Keep them home and out of public schools and schools that mandate vaccination. Also keep them out of public places like DisneyLand.

[DoodleDawg]

Dr. Rand Paul: Vaccines Can Lead to 'Mental Disorders'

So, apparently, can being elected the junior senator from Tennessee.

[GunRunner]

Sorry to see someone so very indoctrinated to believe the status quo and unwilling to listen to anything that upsets that.

The status quo is that vaccination eradicated smallpox. Do you deny that this occurred? Your baby sister's injuries may have been tragic, but with respect to a disease that killed 500 million people, isn't relevant in the scheme of things when talking about an overall vaccination policy.

[GunRunner]

He gets petitioned by parents and by groups representing such issues as Autism.

Irrelevant. There is no documented scientific evidence linking vaccines to autism, and the original claim was made by a man who is a proven fraud who falsified his research. Medical journals who posted the findings have retracted them.

In 2015, there is no excuse for still believing in the vaccine-autism link. It has been thoroughly debunked.

[Claud]

But at the same time, my child's vulnerability is all the more reason that your healthy child and all other "healthy" children should be vaccinated. Government coercion is rarely justified, but this case is one of those rare instances.

And there we have it. So coercion for the measles. Under what penalty, pray tell? Jail? Loss of parental rights?

How about chicken pox/varicella? How about HPV/Gardasil? Government coercion for STD vaccinations too? What if someone thinks the CDC schedule is a little too much, or wants to delay some of it. What if it is made with fetal cells that I find morally objectionable?

You put the billy club in the state's hand, Hawthorn, and sooner or later you will find yourself at the business end of it.

[GunRunner]

No, just don’t send your kid to school where there are other children. You can home school.

[cva66snipe]

Vaccines can cause Brain Damage in rare cases. They can also cripple people in less rare cases. It would seem wise to find the cause. First step should be elimination of Three in One Vaccines and do the three shots spaced out individually. What can it hurt? Even my dog has adverse reactions to Three In One type vaccines.

[cva66snipe]

Irrelevant. There is no documented scientific evidence linking vaccines to autism, and the original claim was made by a man who is a proven fraud who falsified his research. Medical journals who posted the findings have retracted them. In 2015, there is no excuse for still believing in the vaccine-autism link. It has been thoroughly debunked.

Autism is a form of brain damage. The info in post 60 which BTW is the US Center for Disease Control list even Moderate side effects as following

Moderate Problems
Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)

Seizures??? Nah nothing go on in the brain no sir indeed. /sarcasm Oh and the next paragraph on the MMR information

Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine.
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In other words not even the CDC is certain YET!!!!!! that they don't cause it.