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1 posted on 02/01/2015 9:50:49 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
even a broken clock.....


2 posted on 02/01/2015 9:54:12 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: Kaslin

Ethanol bad, Butanol good


3 posted on 02/01/2015 9:55:56 AM PST by taxcontrol
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Forcing peeps to burn ethanol in gasoline fueled vehicles is retarded.


4 posted on 02/01/2015 9:57:31 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Kaslin

OK, then: if there is in fact a glut of ethanol, as this article implies, why does E85 cost so freakin’ much? At present, it’s more expensive than gasoline while driving a car only about 2/3 as far.

Don’t mistake my comments above, however, as a defense of the ethanol mandate: it was a bad idea and bad policy from day one, and its principal effect has been to cause skyrocketing land values in Iowa, while transferring money from the pockets of taxpayers and consumers to farmers and big ag conglomerates.
I doubt ADM will allow this bill to see the light of day.


5 posted on 02/01/2015 10:07:15 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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Ethanol can be made from coal 30% cheaper than corn. Ammonia can be mixed with gas, and that can be made with baseload off peak electricity.


6 posted on 02/01/2015 10:08:11 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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There is only one gas station that has ethanol free gas in my area. The performance difference is amazing. The stupid “check engine” light goes off. I get better gas mileage, better performance, and it doesn’t destroy the seals that were engineered for 100% gasoline. Don’t even get me started on the motorcycles. My Ducati feels like a shopping cart when I am forced to fill with that E10 crap. A bunch of stupid dumb legislators know nothing but decide everything. The corn (ADM has their fingers in every orifice of DC) lobbyists are crooks and cheaters. Ethanol is for drinking and corn is for eating.


8 posted on 02/01/2015 10:09:11 AM PST by Organic Panic
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A farmer in a nearby community turned all his vast farm holdings into "corn only". And he bought thousands of additional acres.

With the new conversion plant nearby, he made a killing.

He might have to go back to potatoes and peas.

Certainly not a bad guy...just doing what he could to make a buck.

11 posted on 02/01/2015 10:18:19 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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Point number 2: while ethanol-free gas will be cheaper per gallon, it will *also* propel your car farther by a measurable amount.
Ethanol has roughly 65% the energy per gallon as gasoline, so straight gasoline will give you 4 - 5% better mpg than the E10 stuff.

And while every car built since the E10 mandate took effect has been designed with its corrosive and solvent effects in mind, classic cars, motorcycles, boats, etc, are all at risk with the polluted PC gasoline.

12 posted on 02/01/2015 10:18:44 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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I think both of them will look to their bank accounts before that gets pushed.


13 posted on 02/01/2015 10:20:22 AM PST by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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My Ford Focus will take E85 but I've never used it nor will I.

I just found out from a buddy that temps below 50 degrees will result in problems starting your car if you're running that crap.........

14 posted on 02/01/2015 10:20:50 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Man of "non-color" and proud of it)
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Primarily a puller of end dump trailers, I have days during the winter that require pulling stepdeck and flatbed trailers, some of which is farm equipment related. Recent trips up into Wisconsin, Iowa, and Minnesota have reminded me of the increase of land formerly used for pasture and/or hay that is now used for corn and soybeans. Even with the advancements in minimum tillage technology, soil erosion is still a major problem.

The USDA labels certain ground as ‘highly erodible’, but allows crops if primary tillage practices (moldboard plow, dick harrow) are not used. They even allow the elimination of water ways if those guide lines are followed.

Problem is that when the quick downpours happen, the rush of water cuts underneath the plant residue on the surface, making ever larger ruts and gulleys. Then the farmer is forced to plow dirt into the gulleys to smooth things up again. That is necessary to maintain passage of the equipment as it passes through the field, but it wipes out the plant residue in those areas for the immediate future, making even more erosion possible during the next downpour.

There has been a lot of ground placed in CRP (more landownwer welfare), but ethanol has been a artificial growth hormone to the ag industry. The land is getting the worst end of the deal.


17 posted on 02/01/2015 10:25:21 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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"Now the Sierrans despise natural gas and want to totally ban the technology that created our newfound abundance of gas: hydraulic fracturing."

Never be misled: at core, the Sierra Clubbies and other green weenies are core are opposed to all human economic activity, and whenever they support one energy mandate (e.g., ethanol fuels, wind, solar, etc.) it's because they think that energy is totally economically non-viable, and will thus simply result in people not driving, not using electricity, etc.
They'll never be happy until we all live in mud huts and ride bicycles for transportation.

In this they're like the so-called automotive safety and emissions mavens, whose real interest is not in cleaner, safer cars but in setting targets so unrealistically high that the cost of meeting them results in unaffordable cars, and we're back to the bicycles thing.

20 posted on 02/01/2015 10:34:34 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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I was at a meeting where Senator John Thune (R-SD) was speaking...Thune is a big ethanol advocate. One of the audience asked Sen. Thune why if corn ethanol is such a good thing, no farm machinery runs on E-85. You would think that farmers would demand farm machinery run on ethanol, yet none does. Sen Thune had no answer to this question. Corn ethanol is a boondoggle and is nothing but a big farm subsidy program. It would be cheaper if the government just wrote corn farmers a check every year.


24 posted on 02/01/2015 10:42:30 AM PST by The Great RJ (Pants up...Don't loot!)
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you have to start somewhere, to fight OPEC.

of course, supporters of Exxon will disagree.

reducing demand for (pure-hydrocarbon)gasoline by
a few percent can make a big difference.

a better idea would be for the rest of the world
to go to E5 or E10.


29 posted on 02/01/2015 11:21:14 AM PST by RockyTx
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Gasohol is another wealth redistribution scheme. Cost more money and pass it around. The Gruberment is always against free market capitalism common sense that should have been obvious to them long before this cat got loose.


31 posted on 02/01/2015 12:45:52 PM PST by Recompennation
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Take all the surplus ethanol, bottle it and label it as Stolichnaya vodka. Then start dumping it on the world market until Putin agrees to end his ambitions in the Ukraine.
32 posted on 02/01/2015 2:24:57 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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